Doler couple belt out 8th child, aggrieved that the dole bump changes their social housing situation, fair ?

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If they do win this it will open the floodgate for challenging all othe schemes

All schemes have maximum thresholds

Do you just keep shifting the goalposts all the time?

Say the scheme is adjusted upwards to take into account the 8th kid, yet they decide to have 10. Do the courts keep interefering with the schemes and adjust upwards?

One thing they may fall down on is that the courts generally do not interefere on how government spends money thanks to the seperation of powers
Yes all schemes have maximum thresholds, but they could be amended with a provision that the maximum cannot be less than that the social welfare income to which a person/family is entitled, when their income is made up solely of social welfare income, or something similar.

It's an interesting case, the rules effectively disregard the cost of rearing the 8th child - if the Courts find that this is unconstitutional, then it would presumably also be unconstitutional be to limit child benefit to 3, 4 or however many children and stop there, were the government minded to try this. As you say, the Courts tend not to encroach on the sphere of the Oireachtas if they can help it, so it may be the outcome that this is a matter for the Oireachtas.
 


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Housing lifer Dolers with self sufficient people is outrageous.
No.

One of the purpose of Public Housing is to house inadequate people; and as part of a general policy intended to turn inadequate - 'Doler' as you term them - families into adequate, literate and hard-working families that make a positive contribution to society.

The continuing existence in the Republic of such a substantial ''Travelling Community' underclass only demonstrates the incompentence of the governing classes.
 

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No.

One of the purpose of Public Housing is to house inadequate people; and as part of a general policy intended to turn inadequate - 'Doler' as you term them - families into adequate, literate and hard-working families that make a positive contribution to society.

The continuing existence in the Republic of such a substantial ''Travelling Community' underclass only demonstrates the incompentence of the governing classes.
Travellers dropping out of school after primary level makes them economically dependent on the state. Many kids dislike school. Real parents support them and the kids are expected to show some character and resilience.

The drop out levels and resulting screwing up of kids futures is all on the traveller parents. Not on the state which bends over backwards to accommodate petulant entitlement.
 

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Travellers dropping out of school after primary level makes them economically dependent on the state. Many kids dislike school. Real parents support them and the kids are expected to show some character and resilience.

The drop out levels and resulting screwing up of kids futures is all on the traveller parents. Not on the state which bends over backwards to accommodate petulant entitlement.
You are just pointing to more state failure to enforce its own laws.

No child can be pulled from school after primary level. To do so is illegal.

So the state by not enforcing its own laws has badly failed these Traveller children and the children of settled people who also don't value education. It also then allows the vicious circle of lack of education to continue to another generation.

Some Travellers might try to wreck their children's education. The state then ignores its own laws and its constitution to facilitate this act.

School attendance
 

Old Mr Grouser

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Travellers dropping out of school after primary level makes them economically dependent on the state. Many kids dislike school. Real parents support them and the kids are expected to show some character and resilience.

The drop out levels and resulting screwing up of kids futures is all on the traveller parents. Not on the state which bends over backwards to accommodate petulant entitlement.
And there's a lot of people on the public payroll, getting good maney with inflation-proof pensions, that are supposedly remedying this.

I'm sorry , but I'm an old man and I've many times seen similar.

If there was a war on and servicemen were needed then all those young traveller-men would very quickly be knocked into shape and given whatever skills where required.


[video=youtube;3j3_iPskjxk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j3_iPskjxk[/video]


They'd be getting a fair deal - proper discipline, regular meals, a clean bed and good clothing - for the first time in their lives.
 

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I'm sorry , but I'm an old man and I've many times seen similar.

If there was a war on and servicemen were needed then all those young traveller-men would very quickly be knocked into shape and given whatever skills where required.
They'd be getting a fair deal - proper discipline, regular meals, a clean bed and good clothing - for the first time in their lives.

If the dole was replaced by enlistment, how many claimants would 'suddenly' no longer need state assistance ?
 

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You are just pointing to more state failure to enforce its own laws.

No child can be pulled from school after primary level. To do so is illegal.

So the state by not enforcing its own laws has badly failed these Traveller children and the children of settled people who also don't value education. It also then allows the vicious circle of lack of education to continue to another generation.

Some Travellers might try to wreck their children's education. The state then ignores its own laws and its constitution to facilitate this act.

School attendance
You're right, but it must be pointed out that the traveller parent(s) are primarily to blame.
The state is also to blame, but it's not the primary cause/problem.
The order of blame is critical.

Outlining the failings of the state for not doing the parents job is simply deflecting the blame.

The reason why the state cannot enforce the law is that it takes actual balls.
Politicians are used to 'solving' problems by throwing money at it.
This isn't one of those issues.

Keeping traveller kids in school against the wishes & actions of their parents involves coming up against various leftist groups and quangos.
So it's easier to ignore and allowed continue.

I've written here some time back that the girls do very well in school (boys not so much).
They really embrace it.
The girls want to stay there, but the parents take them out.
And so the cycle goes on for another revolution.

Ultimately, the only way of stopping this is to take the kids off the parents.
How many screaming lefties will you have to endure to stop the rot ?
 

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You're right, but it must be pointed out that the traveller parent(s) are primarily to blame.
The state is also to blame, but it's not the primary cause/problem.
The order of blame is critical.

Outlining the failings of the state for not doing the parents job is simply deflecting the blame.

The reason why the state cannot enforce the law is that it takes actual balls.
Politicians are used to 'solving' problems by throwing money at it.
This isn't one of those issues.

Ultimately, the only way of stopping this is to take the kids off the parents.
How many screaming lefties will you have to endure to stop the rot ?
True. You'll be setting the bar for making parents accountable and possibly putting a limit on the sanctity of the family in the constitution.

But saying to the traveller and welfare class that they don't have the right to stunt their kid's potential due to their inadequacies would be widely accepted by taxpayers sick of these infantalised slobs.
 

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There was an old woman who lived in a shoe.

She had so many children, she didn't know what to do.

She gave them some broth without any bread;

And whipped them all soundly and put them to bed.
A shoe?

We used to live in Shoebox in middle o' road....

[video=youtube;Xe1a1wHxTyo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo[/video]
 

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You're right, but it must be pointed out that the traveller parent(s) are primarily to blame.
The state is also to blame, but it's not the primary cause/problem.
The order of blame is critical.

Outlining the failings of the state for not doing the parents job is simply deflecting the blame.

The reason why the state cannot enforce the law is that it takes actual balls.
Politicians are used to 'solving' problems by throwing money at it.
This isn't one of those issues.

Keeping traveller kids in school against the wishes & actions of their parents involves coming up against various leftist groups and quangos.
So it's easier to ignore and allowed continue.

I've written here some time back that the girls do very well in school (boys not so much).
They really embrace it.
The girls want to stay there, but the parents take them out.
And so the cycle goes on for another revolution.

Ultimately, the only way of stopping this is to take the kids off the parents.
How many screaming lefties will you have to endure to stop the rot ?
If the parents are breaking the law it's up to the state to bring prosecutions. Nothing to do with screaming lefties.
 

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Utterly disgusting and obnoxious post.
Not my fault that bad quality parents belt out defective children

Also the type of home environment that is subject to police searches, is not likely the type of environment conducive to improving the quality of said offspring, dying young was probably a blessing in disguise for that child

cyp
 


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