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de valera's' giddy goat

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FF leader spluttering incoherently at times during press conference which makes me wonder, why FF picked him in the 1st place. They had seen him speak for long as last decade and STILL stand by him.

Are FF that stupid? FF will drag FG down the drain with them. they have nothing to lose with 10% at the moment.

It looks like FG are gearing up for October elections by pulling it all out. Is it feasible with coronavirus situation now?

The only way out for FF is boot MM out and install in a new leader a fresh one.
I don't think anyone else in the party wanted to be leader of FF, Martin was the only show in town and he did bounce them upwards but they have fallen flat again.

There isn't one person there currently who could raise them. There is a charisma deficit in the party, mind you there is one also in FG and SF but they'll both be found out too eventually.
 

de valera's' giddy goat

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GREED party leader Ryan has nine advisors working for him..... Crazy spending on that alone ...

The GREED party have lost the plot.

That 2m monies would be better off spent in area of disabilities plus extra staff for medical especially in Cov19 wards, extra capacity, belated pay rises for nurses, expand capacity for Cov19 testing et al.
And 49% of his own party members don't want him as leader, you would think that's fairly sobering.
 

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Their is no such party as FFG, they are 2 different partiesm FF and FG, as for people voting for FF and FG, their is no alternative , a vote for SF is for many saying that their support and continued association with PIRA was ok. With Cullinan "Up the RA,, Tiocfaidh Ar La", having a rally in the middle of the pandemic for former PIRA man Storey
The Tweedles share of the vote is dependent on those afraid of a change in the Status Quo , they didn't give a shit about the violence directed by State Actors , indeed in some cases lauded and reveled in it . Those comfortable Middle-Class assumptions are looking decidedly shaky in the light of developments at home and abroad .
 

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I don't think anyone else in the party wanted to be leader of FF, Martin was the only show in town and he did bounce them upwards but they have fallen flat again.

There isn't one person there currently who could raise them. There is a charisma deficit in the party, mind you there is one also in FG and SF but they'll both be found out too eventually.
FF could probably eek out a few mores years as a Devalera Cult Party with Dev2 as leader. As to the rest , it's too late .
 

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Their is no such party as FFG, they are 2 different partiesm FF and FG, as for people voting for FF and FG, their is no alternative , a vote for SF is for many saying that their support and continued association with PIRA was ok. With Cullinan "Up the RA,, Tiocfaidh Ar La", having a rally in the middle of the pandemic for former PIRA man Storey
Screech & roar “what about the Ra” til the cows come home but it won’t help ...
btw I hope FFGs Leo & Meehole keep at it too because it’s completely counterproductive at this stage ;)

up the shinners🥳 lol
 

de valera's' giddy goat

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FF could probably eek out a few mores years as a Devalera Cult Party with Dev2 as leader. As to the rest , it's too late .
A move under Dev2 to a more conservative right position may be their only chance to find a niche. Maybe try and get Aontu to merge with them and give Lucinda Creighton a call too.
 

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Because in the context of this discussion the Horkan funeral is absolutely irrelevant.
OoooKkkkk :unsure: :confused: .... so you try to deflect from golfgate by foaming at the mouth about a SF funeral but mentioning other funerals is somehow irrelevant ... gotcha:oops::rolleyes:😂😂

do you not see how insane you have become?
 

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A move under Dev2 to a more conservative right position may be their only chance to find a niche. Maybe try and get Aontu to merge with them and give Lucinda Creighton a call too.
No, Holy Mother of Divine, that is the worst thing I have ever heard for an Ireland that is now releasing itself from the dark ages.

Aontú are almost as weird as Gemma.
 

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OoooKkkkk :unsure: :confused: .... so you try to deflect from golfgate by foaming at the mouth about a SF funeral but mentioning other funerals is somehow irrelevant ... gotcha:oops::rolleyes:😂😂

do you not see how insane you have become?
its not the sf funeral that is the problem.

its the sf rally in Milltown- nothing to do with the funeral - that is the problem.
 

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OoooKkkkk :unsure: :confused: .... so you try to deflect from golfgate by foaming at the mouth about a SF funeral but mentioning other funerals is somehow irrelevant ... gotcha:oops::rolleyes:😂😂

do you not see how insane you have become?
Yes indeed...in the context of this discussion the Horkan funeral, numerous other funerals, house parties, knees-ups, hooleys, etc. etc. are absolutely irrelevant.

What makes the Belfast rally very relevant to this debate is the fact that some of the attendees at the rally were high profile Sinn Fein politicians who sought to lecture other politicians on the propriety of attending similarly unnecessary functions.
 

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Yes indeed...in the context of this discussion the Horkan funeral, numerous other funerals, house parties, knees-ups, hooleys, etc. etc. are absolutely irrelevant.

What makes the Belfast rally very relevant to this debate is the fact that some of the attendees at the rally were high profile Sinn Fein politicians who sought to lecture other politicians on the propriety of attending similarly unnecessary functions.
Bor-ing!
 

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Because in the context of this discussion the Horkan funeral is absolutely irrelevant.
the Horkan funeral is very relevant for a number of reasons. -

it took place before the Storey funeral & the Clifden/Hogan scandal - it was the first high profile public breaking of the Covid rules.
it involved the Gardai, who are supposed to be responsible for enforcing the rules, on us. the little people,
& of course for leading by example.
the Minister for Justice was present at the funeral.
the Gardai are supposed to be investigating the Clifden/Hogan scandal - what credibility have they in this task after the Horkan funeral ?

BTW this thread is supposed to be about the Clifden/Hogan scandal,
there were no SF politicians at Clifden - only FG/FF/Lab/Stickie SF/IRA/Independent.
notwithstanding this fact, just about everything you posted on the thread is about SF.

that fact tells us a lot about YOU,
but little about the topic of this thread - the Clifden/Hogan scandal.
 

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...BTW this thread is supposed to be about the Clifden/Hogan scandal,
there were no SF politicians at Clifden - only FG/FF/Lab/Stickie SF/IRA/Independent.
notwithstanding this fact, just about everything you posted on the thread is about SF.

that fact tells us a lot about YOU,
but little about the topic of this thread - the Clifden/Hogan scandal.
Indeed, this thread is about the Clifden/Hogan scandal.

Hogan blatantly broke the rules by attending the Clifden event...no doubt about it.

A few days later Pearse Doherty appeared on the six o'clock news and called for Hogan's resignation. Fair enough, that's politics for you.

The problem with Doherty, and the reason the Storey hooley is relevant to this discussion, is the fact that just a few weeks earlier Doherty himself broke the same Covid rules by attending the Belfast rally.

Sinn Fein supporters can drone on for ever more about the Clifden event, but sadly for them there's no more mileage to be gained from it, given that most of the key participants have now resigned.

Any impartial observer would have to agree, it took an inordinate amount of brass neck on Doherty's part to criticise others for doing precisely what he himself did.

If Doherty really feels so aggrieved about prominent politicians recklessly disregarding measures implemented to protect public health he should have the decency to resign his own position.

Unfortunately, decency isn't a quality readily associated with Sinn Fein.
 

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Indeed, this thread is about the Clifden/Hogan scandal.

Hogan blatantly broke the rules by attending the Clifden event...no doubt about it.

A few days later Pearse Doherty appeared on the six o'clock news and called for Hogan's resignation. Fair enough, that's politics for you.

The problem with Doherty, and the reason the Storey hooley is relevant to this discussion, is the fact that just a few weeks earlier Doherty himself broke the same Covid rules by attending the Belfast rally.

Sinn Fein supporters can drone on for ever more about the Clifden event, but sadly for them there's no more mileage to be gained from it, given that most of the key participants have now resigned.

Any impartial observer would have to agree, it took an inordinate amount of brass neck on Doherty's part to criticise others for doing precisely what he himself did.

If Doherty really feels so aggrieved about prominent politicians recklessly disregarding measures implemented to protect public health he should have the decency to resign his own position.

Unfortunately, decency isn't a quality readily associated with Sinn Fein.
Why would we expect more in terms of ethic from Sinn Fein to a level we've never demanded or seen from FG and FF?
 

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At least Sinn Fein's core manifesto has never changed. Can the same be said for FF and FG?
 

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