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Dragons Den - Abusing their position ?

rockofcashel

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I would like to throw this out to the board to see if I am the only person who thinks that tonight's episode of Dragons Den displayed a complete abuse of their position as a high profile well watched programme on RTE, a semi state company, and also abused their position to endanger the ongoing liveliehood of a company which wasn't named on the programme, but alluded to ?

The background to this is the following.

Two women came on the programme seeking 24,000 euro for a 25% share in an events management company, who were planning one definite upcoming event.

Now, firstly I would like to know exactly how far back the programme was filmed before it was aired, and the reason will become clear in a moment.

Anyway, the planned event was a pregnancy and baby exhibition, which was going to be funded and run by the two women involved and which needed to get 100 exhibitors and 3000 paying punters through the doors, which the women had costed to realise a profit of 46,000 from the event.

It seemed like a decent idea and the women were enthusiatic, but alarm bells began to ring in my head.

The date of the planned exhibition was the 18th of April 2010... i.e. Sunday week

Now firstly I began to think.. hey, that's great publicity ... almost 10 minutes on national television advertising an event which will be on in only 10 days time, and another 10 minutes advertising for the event in the repeat at the weekend.. only 7 days before the event.

Anyways, when one of the Dragons asked the girls about the projected profit, i.e. the 46,000 he went on to say, would they be prepared to give him back his 24,000 investment the day after the event, to which they replied they would.

So I really started to think something was fishy here.

Another Dragon also asked was some other company involved in a similar event which the girls replied yes, and in his own words he asked "so we'd be taking their lunch, if we invested in this event with you", which again the girls said yes, that would be the case.

They also went on to tell the Dragons that they had planned another Pregnancy and Baby event later in the year, a two day event, which was projected to make 96,000 profit.

Anyways, in true Dragon from, 4 of them jumped in and invested a quarter each, but upped the share of equity they took from the girls to 50%, so I started to make a few calculations myself.

If they were looking for 50%, and want their investment back the day after the event, the projected profit from the event, 46,000 will return practically their whole investment, and still leave them with 50% of the company, and therefore the right to 50% of the profit on a subsequent event.

Now, as ordinary businesspeople, fair play to them. But, if that programme was shot a couple of months ago, then RTE aired the programme at the most optimum time on national television to ensure advertisement of the event, both on tonights programme and in the repeat.

It would also have given the girls involved a very nice sweetner to go to potential exhibitors over the past few weeks or months, by allowing them to tell the exhibitors that the event will be advertised on the programme twice in the week up to the event.

And, more importantly, it will also overshadow the other company involved in a similar event, thereby possibly putting their business at risk.

Is this kind of thing acceptable ?

Personally I think they are abusing their position by using the national broadcaster to so blatantly advertise a company which they are getting involved in, and which has the potential to make a very quick buck for them.

Any ideas ?
 


stewiegriffin

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Dis is oireland . If yer not pullin a stroke you must be a west brit , wha ?
Ger out of it ya whinger !
 

Fr. Hank Tree

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The Irish Dragon's Den is becoming very predictable; every week it's "i'll give you half the money for the same equity".
 

Cunctator

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Firstly They're Businessmen.

A businessman makes money, with it made through his own efforts he then uses it as capital for other ventures.

The premise works the same here. They are using their position on a watched television show to publicize a venture. Nothing wrong with this as long as the broadcaster does not disagree. No one forces you to watch or follow the advertising.

However I do see the point you are raising, it is a rather "cloak and daggers" and shadowy.
 

jmcc

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Business is business. The RTE 'dragons' seem like a sad bunch though. The other company doing the same type of exhibition is a non-Irish one that just flys in and does the exhibition and then flys off again with the profits. (I think that was mentioned on the show.) So consider this product replacement by an Irish company and good luck to them.

Regards...jmcc
 

jmcc

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Correction , a typical Irish businessman pretends to make money . They are mostly in debt to the eyeballs .Shhhh ,dont tell the regulator or there will be war ! :cool:
I notice that the promo for the programme has toned down how the 'dragons' are successful entrepreneurs with property portfolios. :)

Regards...jmcc
 

N17

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Whats Sarah whatshername doing there? All she has done is sell her website and then rabbits on how brilliant she is but up until tonight had only opened her wallet twice in two series and tonight threw in around €6g but only when all the others were on board?? She s a waste of time there. The other would invest more money in a good poker hand than she would in the whole series!
 

jmcc

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Whats Sarah whatshername doing there? All she has done is sell her website and then rabbits on how brilliant she is but up until tonight had only opened her wallet twice in two series and tonight threw in around €6g but only when all the others were on board?? She s a waste of time there. The other would invest more money in a good poker hand than she would in the whole series!
She is there to maintain the same male:female ratio as the UK Dragons Den, at a guess.

Regard...jmcc
 

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I think Dragon's Den is made by an independent production company, so I wonder to what degree RTE decide what episode goes out when, but it sounds like a classic stroke. I mean you expect to see this kind of carry on on TV3, but RTE are usually a little more high class.
 

charley

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my issue with tonight's show was the fact that the bin tidy guy was going to get it manufactured abroad .he claimed it was costing him €26 to manufacture, looking at it i could see no reason why the same rather shabby product couldn't be manufactured here for less
 

stewiegriffin

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I think Dragon's Den is made by an independent production company, so I wonder to what degree RTE decide what episode goes out when, but it sounds like a classic stroke. I mean you expect to see this kind of carry on on TV3, but RTE are usually a little more high class.
As yer man said , sure noone is connected with anyone ;)
 

PrinceMax

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Im here to tell you about my website which I've just set up. I'm looking for 100,000 euro for a 10% share in my company.

Same rubbish every week. I don't think i've seen one good idea on it yet.
 

N17

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If they are just making up the numbers with Sarah, I d prefer to see the likes of Margaret Heffernan or Ann Dunne.
 

charley

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a few weeks back there was a guy on from donegal who was trying to get funding for a firegaurd/draft excluder thing ,he had been on the radio up here earlier in the day saying how the donegal enterprise board had got the prototypes made for him.so all he had to do was make the pitch. he was unsuccessful but it shows the sort of stuff our enterprise boards are shelling out for.
 

Yosser

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These pair are on tubridy's programme now. they both work in HR. Nice to have a follow up promo!
 

rockofcashel

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I think there is definitely a measure of abuse going on here .. what were they doing on Tubridy (apart from getting even more publicity on one of RTE's most popular radio programmes)

You know, it wouldn't surprise me in the least, if someone rings in to "Joe" today talking about possible conflict of interest, whereby the will get another round of publicity, topped off by Joe telling them "sure ye're great women, trying to make a go of it in the recession, best of luck to ye, and I hope eveyone goes down to Swords on Sunday week and makes it all a great sucess"
 


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