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Dublin councilor John Lyons resigns from PBP


making waves

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Accepting the PSNI to replace the RUC was part of the Good Friday Agreement,
Sinn Fein - the law and order party

an agreement you crowd also supported.
Wrong PON - the Socialist Party never supported the GFA

We do not endorse this deal which is neither a solution, nor the basis of a solution,

The Socialist Party supported a Yes vote - not in support of the GFA - but in order to sideline the republican and loyalist paramilitaries.

So how many of the Trots went to prison for political actions during the whole of the troubles ??
That one is a bit like the refrain from republican hacks who claimed that if you weren't shot you weren't a revolutionary - now if you weren't jailed during the Troubles then you weren't a political activists - incidentally jailed by the same state apparatus that Sinn Fein is now defending - again - Sinn Fein - the law and order party.
 

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Most catholics in limerick did not go around shining lamps on courting couples in cinemas,nor did they belong to ultra right wing fascist groups who called for a boycott of Hollywood films because actors such as James Cagney,Gregory Peck and others were alleged communists!

South must be seen for exactly what he was,his right wing fascism is clearly evident in his behaviour and is further evident in a series of letters he wrote to the Limerick Leader.

Are you trying to deny that South was as i have written or do you accept the evidence that all historians have produced regarding South?

By the way,he was not from Garryowen and i often discussed that fact with the man who wrote the words of the song.

Your thoughts on the fascism and right wing views expressed by South would be interesting.
you failed miserably to address the points that I raised in my comment that you replied to - so much, that you failed to refer to ol Kemmy even once in your response.

Most catholics in limerick did not go around shining lamps on courting couples in cinemas,nor did they belong to ultra right wing fascist groups who called for a boycott of Hollywood films because actors such as James Cagney,Gregory Peck and others were alleged communists!
of course they didn't.
the image of the ol Parish Priest going around with a blackthorn stick looking for courting couples is 'cool' now.
you read about it in the Irish Times & hear about it in RTE.
I expect that it did happen, but it's hugely exaggerated.
& BTW ymmeK - most of those ol Parish Priests, like the Bishops, were Blueshirts - the Party that ol Kemmy had no problem propping up.

& of course in 1950s Ireland, it was not only "Hollywood films" that were boycotted,
but many of the works of our renowned literary figures were banned - not by SF,
but by FF/FG/Lab in government.


Your thoughts on the fascism and right wing views expressed by South would be interesting.
when most peole apart from FG supporters think of Irish fascists, they think of the Blueshirts ,
& of course ol Kemmy propped up the party associated with the Blueshirts,
& he had no problem with their past links to fascism,
or of their & Labour's jackboot tactics - Section 31 & the Heavy Gang.
& again - no problem for Kemmy.

but surely ymmeK, there must have been a good popular ballad written in honour of ol Kemmy ???
the Healy Rae of his day,
& FG lackey.

BTW ymmek - I reckon that ol Kemmy didn't like this ballad any more than 'Sean South of Garryoen
& neither do you.'

Many Irishmen heard the call of Franco
Joined Hitler and Mussolini too
Propaganda from the pulpit and newspapers
Helped O’Duffy to enlist his crew

The word came from Maynooth, “support the Nazis”
The men of cloth failed again
When the Bishops blessed the Blueshirts in Dun Laoghaire
As they sailed beneath the swastika to Spain
 

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The vast majority of people who sing the song have zero knowledge of Sean South's politics - a political outlook that Sinn Fein have studiously buried in order to serve their own political propaganda - once again you are defending a fascist scumbag.
there were more Blueshirts at ol Kemmy's funeral than they were at South's.

mar a deireann an seanfhocal -
aithníonn ciaróg, ciaróg eile.
 

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you failed miserably to address the points that I raised in my comment that you replied to - so much, that you failed to refer to ol Kemmy even once in your response.


of course they didn't.
the image of the ol Parish Priest going around with a blackthorn stick looking for courting couples is 'cool' now.
you read about it in the Irish Times & hear about it in RTE.
I expect that it did happen, but it's hugely exaggerated.
& BTW ymmeK - most of those ol Parish Priests, like the Bishops, were Blueshirts - the Party that ol Kemmy had no problem propping up.

& of course in 1950s Ireland, it was not only "Hollywood films" that were boycotted,
but many of the works of our renowned literary figures were banned - not by SF,
but by FF/FG/Lab in government.



when most peole apart from FG supporters think of Irish fascists, they think of the Blueshirts ,
& of course ol Kemmy propped up the party associated with the Blueshirts,
& he had no problem with their past links to fascism,
or of their & Labour's jackboot tactics - Section 31 & the Heavy Gang.
& again - no problem for Kemmy.

but surely ymmeK, there must have been a good popular ballad written in honour of ol Kemmy ???
the Healy Rae of his day,
& FG lackey.

BTW ymmek - I reckon that ol Kemmy didn't like this ballad any more than 'Sean South of Garryoen
& neither do you.'

Many Irishmen heard the call of Franco
Joined Hitler and Mussolini too
Propaganda from the pulpit and newspapers
Helped O’Duffy to enlist his crew

The word came from Maynooth, “support the Nazis”
The men of cloth failed again
When the Bishops blessed the Blueshirts in Dun Laoghaire
As they sailed beneath the swastika to Spain
You nailed it unintentionally, you could be writing about SF PROPPING UP THE DUP and of course the bould Sean would have liked nothing better than to go to Spain to defend the church against the red menace and stand by the good catholic Franco if only he had been around.

Maria Duce was tailormade for Sean,and no sacrifice was too great to defeat the godless socialists in the mind of Sean South.
 

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there were more Blueshirts at ol Kemmy's funeral than they were at South's.

mar a deireann an seanfhocal -
aithníonn ciaróg, ciaróg eile.
There may have been but i bet there were more priests at Souths.
 

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You come across as a right APE who cannot even get recent history correct. Your continual denial that Kemmy used to shuffle around pubs and betting shops in Limerick trying to sell Johnny's is blatantly obvious or is it the case that you have little regard for the truth? You are continually making a fool of yourself.
Speaking about an "APE",
When do you believe poor SF will win 75+ seats in the 26?
Many thanks.
 

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People sing many songs but that does not mean that Sean South was not a right wing religous zealot who despised socialists.
So you are inferring that the thousands who sing Sean South in Ireland are right wing religous zealots ? While your brother supported the right wing religious govts of FG and FF :laugh:
 

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Sinn Fein - the law and order party
Accepting the PSNI to replace the RUC was part of the Good Friday Agreement, an agreement you crowd also supported. But how many of the Trots went to prison for political actions during the whole of the troubles ??

Wrong PON - the Socialist Party never supported the GFA

We do not endorse this deal which is neither a solution, nor the basis of a solution,

The Socialist Party supported a Yes vote - not in support of the GFA - but in order to sideline the republican and loyalist paramilitaries.
Comedy gold from making waves COMEDY GOLD :laugh: Even by Trot looney standards this is taking the biscuit :laugh:

That one is a bit like the refrain from republican hacks who claimed that if you weren't shot you weren't a revolutionary - now if you weren't jailed during the Troubles then you weren't a political activists - incidentally jailed by the same state apparatus that Sinn Fein is now defending - again - Sinn Fein - the law and order party.
Again how many of the Trots went to prison for political actions in the north ? By the way, seen Brid Smith on The Week In Politics and she stated there should be no border in Ireland and advocated a border poll. Clearly the PBP Trots are a few steps ahead of their Trot rivals (not hard to be honest) in the six counties. They have that niche cornered in the north with supporters and voters and should gain a few seats at council level - while your crowd in the six could meet in a telephone box !!
 

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There's a thread about Sean South in the History forum if people want to discuss him, this thread is about a PBP councillor leaving the party, please stay on topic.
 

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There's a thread about Sean South in the History forum if people want to discuss him, this thread is about a PBP councillor leaving the party, please stay on topic.
Agreed, John Lyons is an excellent councilor and will hold his seat no doubt.
 

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Socialist Party to present truth in ‘most digestible’ way to working class

The Socialist Party will present the truth “in the way which is most digestible to the working class at a particular time”, TD Paul Murphy has said.

In internal documents discussing Brexit and wider strategy, he asks: “Are we guilty of not ‘telling the truth’ to the working class when we don’t bring a demand to leave the EU?

“We always tell the truth to the working class. But we present the truth in the way which is most digestible to the working class at a particular time.”

In exchanges with members including Joe Higgins, he advocates a “united front” method of dealing with groups such as Sinn Féin. -
Socialist Party to present truth in 'most digestible' way to working class

'No family should be living in a shed'

Christy Moore centre gains planning approval

After Ireland is free, says the patriot who won't touch socialism, we will protect all classes, and if you won't pay your rent you will be evicted same as now. But the evicting party, under command of the sheriff, will wear green uniforms and the Harp without the Crown, and the warrant turning you out on the roadside will be stamped with the arms of the Irish Republic. Now, isn't that worth fighting for?

James Connolly
Workers Republic,
1899.
You can bet your bottom dollar none of them or their kids will ever live in garden sheds. They want the poor living in sheds, and they want people like Christy Moore to be allowed to build private apartments in the heart of Dublin City?

What colour uniform would the evicting party wear if they were evicting people from Christy Moore or Mick Wallaces apartments?
 

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its not intended for poor people, (at first)
How many homeless people come from Dublin 6? None. There's 75-80 from Dublin 4. There's between 6-800 from Dublin South Central. For some reason I can't imagine why the people from either of the first two postal areas would want their standard of living dropped that low. In fairness to Lyons, he claims it will alleviate the problems in the housing crisis, and not the homeless crisis, which are not necessarily the same thing. If the poor can't afford the rent people like Christy Moore would charge for their apartments, which is where the 6-800 figure is concentrated, it's inevitable that they will come to occupy them.

On another note, SF in west Dublin are now saying that most of the people on the homeless waiting list are single men. Wait, what? Weren't we told by the same people that the homeless crisis was a problem exclusive to single-mothers? Now they're saying the problem can't be resolved unless at least one third of social houses are built for men. How can that be true now, but not true 12 months ago or 5 years ago? The alternative truth is that they've known all along that it disproportionately affected working class males, but they made a conscious choice to promote it as a women-kids problem. A member of Lyons Council told me men outnumber women by 10 to 1 on the homeless list, so the question that needs to be asked, is why the Middle Classes have misrepresented the problem in the aforementioned terms?
 

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Surely he is setting up an Independent run? The PBP did well on the back of water charges the last time, they don't have a similar clarion call this time at present.
The 1st thing that popped into my head when I read the OP is Entryism. It's a smart career move, because the people in Dublin 4 and Dublin 6 wouldn't tolerate the behavior they engage in when they're in Finglas or Jobstown, with the proletariat. Only one of two things can happen with Trots and housing, and that is the issue they have their eye on. 1) They control it; 2) The campaign will be wrecked. The two things that won't happen is 1) The homeless won't get from A to B; 2) Houses won't be built, ( unless you have the type of money Christy Moore has to build them).
 

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Dublin City Council rejects motion to permit building of log cabins in ...

Does John Lyons live in a garden shed himself, or is that proposal just for the poor people?
not to personalize it too much but it seems John Lyons address at the last election is a corner house that was greatly extended a long time ago and the gardens around where he lives a really big and long.

I wonder where this house is Council planning chief warns against log cabins in back gardens Dublin City Council 2178/17 wow its really big 310 Tonlegee Rd

look at the house behind it with the huge building in the back described as "Granny Flat to rear and link from existing house"
 
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