Dublin DART tunnel

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Can anyone shed any light if the forthcoming Dublin (DART) tunnel will facilitate a direct train service from Belfast through Dublin to Cork/Limerick/Waterford/Tralee/Galway?
Surely the current Belfast to Dublin service could in the future offer onwards direct services to these destinations?
 


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Isn't there already an underground tunnel that connects Heuston and Connolly , going under the Phoenix Park ?
 

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Can anyone shed any light if the forthcoming Dublin (DART) tunnel will facilitate a direct train service from Belfast through Dublin to Cork/Limerick/Waterford/Tralee/Galway?
AFAIK there are no plans for a service like that The tunnel will only be used for electric trains (i.e. Darts) because it won't be ventilated for diesel engines. Even if they could operate diesels through it, it would be a bad idea because you'd be mixing all-stop, high acceleration Darts with express, low acceleration IC trains and then you'd end up with the same silly gaps that you have in the existing timetable.

Isn't there already an underground tunnel that connects Heuston and Connolly , going under the Phoenix Park ?
Yes but it takes a very windy route so it's very slow and because of the location of the Heuston portal, it can't serve the normal platforms without a reversing maneuver which takes ages.
 

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Seems really short sighted and a Dublin centric view that you will not be able to travel through Dublin from Belfast or Sligo without having to change trains AND stations to continue on to cities in Munster. At least get the Phoenix park line to take intercity trains!!
If not possible, surely one tunnel bore could take Intercity trains and the other commuter trains.
I assume that if the tunnel is not designed to take diesel trains, it's because there are plans to use the phoenix park line for InterCity train services in the future or maybe there plans to switch intercity services from diesel to electric in Ireland in the future..
 

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You'll be able to hop onto a DART train between Connolly and Heuston and the journey time will be a LOT faster than the LUAS which takes an age to get between the two due to all the stops and on-street traffic mingling.

Switching intercity trains to electric would be a huge project. Although, I think it could be done for Cork-Dublin-Belfast without buying new trains just new electric locomotives at either end of the cork dublin train and at one end of the enterprise.

The huge investment in regional diesel trains for other routes really limits the possibility of going electric without huge cost as the whole fleet would have to be either replaced or very significantly modified i.e. removing the diesel engines under the coaches and replacing them with electric motors.

Then you've got the significant cost of wiring up the overhead cables etc.
 

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Can anyone shed any light if the forthcoming Dublin (DART) tunnel will facilitate a direct train service from Belfast through Dublin to Cork/Limerick/Waterford/Tralee/Galway?
Surely the current Belfast to Dublin service could in the future offer onwards direct services to these destinations?
Alas, Ireland does not work like that.

Local commuter transport within Dublin takes priority over national inter-city transport.
 

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there should be a heavy rail service to dublin airport with departuers to belfast, dublin city centre, cork, limerick galway. this could be used as a hub station for onward connections.
 

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Alas, Ireland does not work like that.

Local commuter transport within Dublin takes priority over national inter-city transport.
Bullsh1t. The intercity network has been the focus of invetment in recent years and the DART service is constantly sacrificed in peak hours for intercity and long distance cuclhie commuter services. And we have the pox of irish transport, the WRC being prioritised.

Local commuter transport in Dublin, in any case, is what pays the transport bills for the rest of our dispersed bungalow heaven outside the Pale.
 

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Local commuter transport in Dublin, in any case, is what pays the transport bills for the rest of our dispersed bungalow heaven outside the Pale.
:eek:

A major departure from your normal high standards there alonso.
 

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A major departure from your normal high standards there alonso.
meh. Posts like WHs annoy the fck outta me. Since the late 80's Dublin's transport system has been choked and very little has been done to change that apart from our homegrown Taoiseach's destruction of the economy just prior to being turfed out, which has eased congestion. This tunnel is the best example of this - a 35 year old proposal that the rest of Ireland still begrudges our commuters.
 

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Fair enough. But you would not stand over this claim?

Local commuter transport in Dublin, in any case, is what pays the transport bills for the rest of our dispersed bungalow heaven outside the Pale.
 

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Fair enough. But you would not stand over this claim?

Local commuter transport in Dublin, in any case, is what pays the transport bills for the rest of our dispersed bungalow heaven outside the Pale.
Well it's all subsidised but rural transport is far more costly to implement per passenger than Dublin Bus or DART and Luas operations pay their way. So when you mix it all into the giant exchequer pot, while it's not a point I would make without provocation, it;s not exactly untrue.
 

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You really think every place outside the Pale is rural?

Oh dear. You should take your bicycle a little further afield this Summer! We have some fine new cyclepaths in the Cork area :)
 

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You really think every place outside the Pale is rural?

Oh dear. You should take your bicycle a little further afield this Summer! We have some fine new cyclepaths in the Cork area :)
No. Of course not. As you may have seen on the WRC thread, I'm all in favour of investing in public transport in our cities, where it's viable.
 
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You'll be able to hop onto a DART train between Connolly and Heuston and the journey time will be a LOT faster than the LUAS which takes an age to get between the two due to all the stops and on-street traffic mingling.
Unfortunately, it isn't quite that simple. To get from Connolly to Heuston under the interconnector system, you would have to switch trains twice - one to go to Pearse and a second time to get to Heuston.

The Phoenix Park tunnel is a bit of a red herring as it points the wrong way at both ends. You'd have to reverse at Connolly to get to it and reverse again at Heuston to get to the main station.
 

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there should be a heavy rail service to dublin airport with departuers to belfast, dublin city centre, cork, limerick galway. this could be used as a hub station for onward connections.
Well said pinemartin like Amsterdam Schipol airport.

Instead of a Dublin train departing every hour from Belfast. There should be a range of services from Belfast via Dublin to Cork, Limerick, Waterford, Tralee and Galway.
Whether they alter the platforms at Connolly and Heuston stations to enable this via the phoenix park tunnel or have it via the DART tunnel, this should be done. They are a lot of people living along these lines who would use this service.

Regarding the comment on the cancellation of the longstanding Aer Arann Cork to Belfast flights, they were a victim of Ryanair wiping Aer Arann off the floor on the Cork to Dublin route. The same Aer Arann aircraft was used on both of these domestic routes and it's lease terminates on August 31st. I expect another carrier to come on the successful Cork-Belfast route.
 

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Bullsh1t. The intercity network has been the focus of invetment in recent years and the DART service is constantly sacrificed in peak hours for intercity and long distance cuclhie commuter services. And we have the pox of irish transport, the WRC being prioritised. .
Your definition of intercity are trains to and from Dublin.

Think a little wider than that.
 
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Alas, Ireland does not work like that.

Local commuter transport within Dublin takes priority over national inter-city transport.
It ought to. More people use it so it should get priority. Instead we have white elephants like the WRC because Rural Ireland believes that everything should be allotted in 26 equal portions, one for each of the British administrative units about which it is obsessed. If Dublin gets four cancer hospitals, Leitrim needs four cancer hospitals.
 

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Your definition of intercity are trains to and from Dublin.

Think a little wider than that.
Considering that only Belfast, Dublin and Cork are actual cities in any real sense, I think that's fair.
 


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