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Dublin described as "oversubscribed" despite double digit unemployment


Schuhart

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That's what he said
Experienced hand needed to guide Shannon growth

<...>Barry O’Sullivan, Chairman of the American Chamber Mid West<...>"The greater Dublin region is oversubscribed while other regions struggle for investment, despite having invested in third level education facilities and transport infrastructure.<...>
I honestly believe that the mentality illustrated by this quote is part of our problem. It's even mildly incoherent to the extent that he also says
I welcome IDA Ireland’s prioritisation of Gateway locations
The actual situation is that every region has double digit unemployment. Every region has a problem. And if Dublin undersubscribed is to the extent of having double digit unemployment, it shows the mountain that needs to be climbed nationally.

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/labourmarket/2012/qnhs_q42012.pdf

Dublin is doing relatively better than other regions; describing it as "oversubscribed", though, is utterly inappropriate. The point is that the whole country, including Dublin, is short of jobs and investment. It might help if we all saw it that way.
 
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Dylan2010

what does he want , an Intel factory at every crossroads? Ireland has one city its called Dublin, Cork at a push, the rest are just big towns.
 

Carl Claudius

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what does he want , an Intel factory at every crossroads? Ireland has one city its called Dublin, Cork at a push, the rest are just big towns.
why should people outside Dublin pay taxes to Dublin so Dubliners can reap the benefits? There is life outside of Dublin.
 
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Dylan2010

why should people outside Dublin pay taxes to Dublin so Dubliners can reap the benefits? There is life outside of Dublin.

I hope they dont but its more likely it goes the other way. it would be much better if every county received the taxes of the residents that live there.
 

Carl Claudius

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I hope they dont but its more likely it goes the other way. it would be much better if every county received the taxes of the residents that live there.
twould be better but at the moment you have likes of Donegal people paying taxes and getting no services. Cancer care they can get in Galway which is about a six hour round trip. Dubliners bitch if they have to cross the liffey.

There are other places where you ring an ambulance and have to wait two hours for it.
 

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twould be better but at the moment you have likes of Donegal people paying taxes and getting no services. Cancer care they can get in Galway which is about a six hour round trip. Dubliners bitch if they have to cross the liffey.

There are other places where you ring an ambulance and have to wait two hours for it.
Woukln't that be proportional to the amount of taxes generated by an area, do you really think it would be better if Roscommon and Leitrim only got what they paid for......they'd only have a few boreens at this point to get to the hospital and it would take considerably longer.
 
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Dylan2010

twould be better but at the moment you have likes of Donegal people paying taxes and getting no services. Cancer care they can get in Galway which is about a six hour round trip. Dubliners bitch if they have to cross the liffey.

There are other places where you ring an ambulance and have to wait two hours for it.
sure but if "paddy" wants to live 200 meters away from his nearest neigbour then dont expect a hospital on your doorstep. I'm walking distance from my nearest A&E , thats my choice everyone else ought to live with theirs and stop moaning.
 

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Oh God... I feel another rural whinge fest coming on...

If people want urban services and infrastructure then they need to move to urban areas... Simple as.

The constant whingeing by people who choose to live in the middle of nowhere while expecting the same level of infrastructure and services that exist in urban areas is utterly tedious and futile...

It's not going to happen. They shouldn't expect it to happen and it doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.
 

Grumpy Jack

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why should people outside Dublin pay taxes to Dublin so Dubliners can reap the benefits? There is life outside of Dublin.
Dublin subsidises the rest of the State - it is the economic engine of the country. Dublin area has around one third of the population but generates more than half the tax revenue of the State.
 

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Dublin subsidises the rest of the State - it is the economic engine of the country. Dublin area has around one third of the population but generates more than half the tax revenue of the State.
Yep - It'd be good if we could have all the revenue generated in Dublin and its environs ring fenced for re-investment and for use in those those areas and then see how things pan out...

But of course that won't happen... and nor should it... cos the country would fall apart...

It is tiresome though, to hear rural dwellers constantly whingeing about how tough they have it when it is they who actually receive a disproportionate amount of the money generated...
 

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what does he want , an Intel factory at every crossroads? Ireland has one city its called Dublin, Cork at a push, the rest are just big towns.
Ironically, no. He wants concentration on Gateways. But I feel the main point is where he's coming from with this idea that you can have double digit unemployment, and be "oversubscribed". Yet, that's the mentality. And some of the responses show there's still plenty of it around.
twould be better but at the moment you have likes of Donegal people paying taxes and getting no services.
Donegal couldn't function without substantial funding from Central Goverment. Donegal households were net recipients of €600 million in Government support in 2010 - that's about the same as the entire Midland region. You can make whatever case you wish about Donegal, but you simply can't base it on personal tax.

Source page 7 of this:
http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/economy/2010/regincome_2010.pdf
 
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Dylan2010

Dublin subsidises the rest of the State - it is the economic engine of the country. Dublin area has around one third of the population but generates more than half the tax revenue of the State.
oh god dont start using facts, youll upset him :D
 

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Dublin subsidises the rest of the State - it is the economic engine of the country. Dublin area has around one third of the population but generates more than half the tax revenue of the State.
But it's a complete hole and people outside Dublin (and I expect many inside Dublin) never want to live there.
 
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Dylan2010

Ironically, no. He wants concentration on Gateways. But I feel the main point is where he's coming from with this idea that you can have double digit unemployment, and be "oversubscribed". Yet, that's the mentality.
thats the problem with a lobby run state, people are paid to say any old sh1te if there is the slighest chance of having lolly going their way
 

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why should people outside Dublin pay taxes to Dublin so Dubliners can reap the benefits? There is life outside of Dublin.
you do know that a disproportionate amount of the state's taxes are collected in Dublin don't you

works both ways
 

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I'd agree with the notion that Dublin is "oversubscribed". The cost of living, especially that of putting a roof over your head (renting or buying) is now so out of line with the rest of the country with the attendant quality-of-life issues that anybody who can get a wage even approaching the wage in Dublin elsewhere in the country, they'd be mad not to take it.

They'll have more take-home pay and a better quality of life.
 

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But it's a complete hole and people outside Dublin (and I expect many inside Dublin) never want to live there.
Really? Because wherever I turn, I meet culchies who think 'Dublin' owes them and their families in the middle of nowhere a living - that includes my wife and her pals who all left the Wesht to live and work in Dublin.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not a Dub either - I'm a Nordie who has lived and worked in Dublin for nearly 20 years.
 
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Con Gallagher

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why should people outside Dublin pay taxes to Dublin so Dubliners can reap the benefits? .
Can you please supply figures to support this question/statement, in terms of tax revenue raised, capital expenditure and social transfers? Dublin has an unemployment rate of 11%, has higher incomes generating more taxes, and will now have a much higher property ax liability (that bizarrely will go into a central fund).
 
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Dylan2010

I'd agree with the notion that Dublin is "oversubscribed". The cost of living, especially that of putting a roof over your head (renting or buying) is now so out of line with the rest of the country with the attendant quality-of-life issues that anybody who can get a wage even approaching the wage in Dublin elsewhere in the country, they'd be mad not to take it.

They'll have more take-home pay and a better quality of life.
but only because working class suckers are subsidising their country "cousins" lifestyle. A 5"8 earning 30K as say a Spar managers or bar manager in Dublin is much worse off compared to a parttime farmer with the same "income". But it wouldnt take a genius to work out who subsidises who.
 
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