Dublin Government welshes on deal with RCC. All teaching posts to be filled by Open Competition.



Roll_On

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Excellent. If the Catholic Church want their pick of the litter, then they can open their bulging wallet.

As an aside, why does the OP call it 'The Dublin Government' do we have an alternative government elsewhere? perhaps we are ruled from the kingdom of heaven or some other nebulous religious delusion.
 

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I though I'd get in with this now, before someone else does.

The Catholic Church has always had the right to directly appoint priests, nuns and monks and brothers as teachers or principals in its State-funded schools; and with thoseappointed then obtaining the usual taxpayer-funded salaries and benefits, such as pension entitlements.

Catholic school trustees can appoint who they please, so long as they are qualified teachers, with no public competition.

This right goes back to before the establishment of the State and was confirmed in Church-State agreements made as recently as 2015.

But according to this news-report - Church control of employment in schools to be scrapped - Richard Bruton, presumably with the full Cabinet backing him, “has asked officials to ‘immediately rectify matters, so that all school posts are filled by open competition’”.
"Dublin" Govt you say?

Govt of Ireland you mean?
 

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It's a good start, it's probably smaller impact than we think though.

So the religious school opens it to the public, but applicants I'm sure will be faced with the carefully phrased question of "St Mucky Muck's obviously has a strong ethos and culture. How do you think you'll fit in with that culture, and what do you think you'll bring to our environment". And anyone who doesn't volunteer "Well sher ever since I was baptised under the holy star of St Mucky Muck, I've always dreamed of teaching farming science to good Christian straight kids." will find themselves passed over.

You're opening the role up, I don't see the impact.
 

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yes, they've said as much, and with such a shortage they can't really afford to have priests in teaching positions
I have an uncle, aged 81, who is supposed to be retired, but because he enjoys comparatively good health he can't retire.

I do feel sympathy for those good men (and there were many) who had vocations and kept their vows and just wanted to be good priests. They have been cast in the same light as the sexual predators and the thieves.
 

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I have an uncle, aged 81, who is supposed to be retired, but because he enjoys comparatively good health he can't retire.

I do feel sympathy for those good men (and there were many) who had vocations and kept their vows and just wanted to be good priests. They have been cast in the same light as the sexual predators and the thieves.
probably stems from "show me your friends, and I will tell you who you are".
 

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Not surprised by a government who are peddling hard a culture of abortion.
Church still biggest owner of education facilities in the state and no doubt when pushed hard enough will demand large wads of cash if the state wants its secular abortion on tap paradise
 

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Another way of putting that is that thankfully our leaders recognize that good ideas can come from anywhere, and of course it is easier to understand policy initiatives coming from other English-speaking common-law jurisdictions.

You'd perhaps be surprised to learn that this is a two-way street, and that large chunks of Irish primary and secondary legislation have found their way on to the statue books of Canada, Australia and New Zealand (but that may not of course suit your thesis).
You say large chunks? For example?
 

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probably stems from "show me your friends, and I will tell you who you are".
or

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
 

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Not surprised by a government who are peddling hard a culture of abortion.
Church still biggest owner of education facilities in the state and no doubt when pushed hard enough will demand large wads of cash if the state wants its secular abortion on tap paradise
And we can net that against the millions they owe over the whole rape, slavery and murder ring
 

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I believe that it makes sense to be in a union in all jobs. The problem in Ireland (and some other countries) is that all the unions are left wing and their members are not. I fully support the right of individuals in any employment to join a union, but there should be a choice of unions from socialist, to middle ground, to conservative. This is the model in many other European countries.
off topic, but where everyone does the same work it makes sense. However, collective bargaining makes little sense where individual productivity can vary a lot. And that's the case in most jobs.
 

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I though I'd get in with this now, before someone else does.

The Catholic Church has always had the right to directly appoint priests, nuns and monks and brothers as teachers or principals in its State-funded schools; and with thoseappointed then obtaining the usual taxpayer-funded salaries and benefits, such as pension entitlements.

Catholic school trustees can appoint who they please, so long as they are qualified teachers, with no public competition.

This right goes back to before the establishment of the State and was confirmed in Church-State agreements made as recently as 2015.

But according to this news-report - Church control of employment in schools to be scrapped - Richard Bruton, presumably with the full Cabinet backing him, “has asked officials to ‘immediately rectify matters, so that all school posts are filled by open competition’”.
When will we ever get rid of this eternal Catholic Church yoke around our fekcin national necks. Would they ever just fcek off to their churches and say mass to whoever turns up, do weddings and funerals for a few quid and leave the rest of us alone.
 

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I actually welcome this.

The Institutional Church in Ireland has very little integral Christianity left in it and the Religious Instruction that kids are receiving is much more lula pansy puff humanist sentimentality than anything to do with historic Catholicism. I wont name them because they are, or at least very much come across on here as, good men but two posters here who are considered arch-Conservative sinister Rightist Catholics have come out with statements that are theologically very troubling from a Catholic perspective; one of them said that we should believe in evolution and also said that he didn't believe that God commanded circumcision of Abraham. The other said that not only was the life of doing public worldly good works superior to the contemplative life of ascetic struggle but that people who engaged in only the latter couldn't really be Saints. This really shows the level of Religious instruction people are receiving.

I think that those who can should either home school or send their kids to Hors Contract schools in France, but not everyone is in a position to do so. However I think this move will force a lot of parents to take seriously their duties to pass the Faith down to their kids.
 

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I though I'd get in with this now, before someone else does.

The Catholic Church has always had the right to directly appoint priests, nuns and monks and brothers as teachers or principals in its State-funded schools; and with thoseappointed then obtaining the usual taxpayer-funded salaries and benefits, such as pension entitlements.

Catholic school trustees can appoint who they please, so long as they are qualified teachers, with no public competition.

This right goes back to before the establishment of the State and was confirmed in Church-State agreements made as recently as 2015.

But according to this news-report - Church control of employment in schools to be scrapped - Richard Bruton, presumably with the full Cabinet backing him, “has asked officials to ‘immediately rectify matters, so that all school posts are filled by open competition’”.
Is theory or practise though?

Are not all Teachers qualified personnel these days anyway?
 

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If Catholic schools are so terrible

- then why are they so popular in the USA?
Maybe because they are merely a choice over there, whereas in Ireland they are almost forced because they are 90% of primary schools.
 


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