Dublin/Monaghan families 'abandoned by Government'

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The government has been accused of abandoning the relatives of the victims of the biggest atrocity of the entire Troubles, the bombings of Dublin and Monaghan on the same day in May 1974 by loyalists working under British direction. The 33 people killed on this day in 1974 were remembered today at a wreath-laying ceremony at the Talbot Street memorial, along with the victims of previous bombings in Dublin.

The Government was criticised for stopping its funding for the Justice for the Forgotten Group a year ago.
Spokeswoman for the group Margaret Urwin said the Government was failing to honour its commitment to victims made under the Good Friday Agreement.
'The Government is willing to talk about the rights of victims in the North but their actions speak louder than their words South of the border. They just don't want to know us'.
RTÉ News: Govt accused of failing 1974 bomb victims


Isn't she right? The government and the political classes will go out of their way (and rightly so) to express their outrage at the deaths of people north of the border, but their own citizens' deaths are treated essentially as an embarrassment, too many awkward questions about the British role in what happened and the Dublin response in covering that up. In particular, why did the Gardaí 'lose' so many files, and why did they end the investigation just three months after the bombings? What pressure is being put on the British to release the embargoed security documents?



Is this just all too embarrassing for the government to want to look too deeply at, is the prospect of justice actually being done a bit frightening for the State?
 


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The government has been accused of abandoning the relatives of the victims of the biggest atrocity of the entire Troubles, the bombings of Dublin and Monaghan on the same day in May 1974 by loyalists working under British direction. The 33 people killed on this day in 1974 were remembered today at a wreath-laying ceremony at the Talbot Street memorial, along with the victims of previous bombings in Dublin.


RTÉ News: Govt accused of failing 1974 bomb victims


Isn't she right? The government and the political classes will go out of their way (and rightly so) to express their outrage at the deaths of people north of the border, but their own citizens' deaths are treated essentially as an embarrassment, too many awkward questions about the British role in what happened and the Dublin response in covering that up. In particular, why did the Gardaí 'lose' so many files, and why did they end the investigation just three months after the bombings? What pressure is being put on the British to release the embargoed security documents?



Is this just all too embarrassing for the government to want to look too deeply at, is the prospect of justice actually being done a bit frightening for the State?
This case is way too embarrassing for the Irish Government to want solved. Too many high ranking Government and security personnel involved in collusion
 
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This case is way too embarrassing for the Irish Government to want solved. Too many high ranking Government and security personnel involved in collusion
And too many files going 'missing'. The Government's response to the attacks on its own citizens was craven, the Guards' response inadequate and suspect, to say the least. The biggest combined atrocity of the entire thirty years and the book was simply shut 12 weeks later. Incredible. And Irish governments have been speaking with forked tongues ever since, making promises they have no intention of keeping, Ahern in particular. And now funding has been withdrawn from the group campaigning for justice on behalf of the innocent dead...


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Too many of the 'Right People' both here and in the U.K, would be embarresed if the truth got out.

The truth being that British agents planted bombs in an independant sovreign territory with or 'without' the knowledge of members of the Irish Political class.

Unfortunately it's just another case of the 'truth will never out' well atleast not in our lifetime.
 

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Too many of the 'Right People' both here and in the U.K, would be embarresed if the truth got out.

The truth being that British agents planted bombs in an independent sovereign territory with or 'without' the knowledge of members of the Irish Political class.

Unfortunately it's just another case of the 'truth will never out' well atleast not in our lifetime.
But any such discussion would would lead to coverage in the British media about the involvement of some sections of the Irish State in IRA terrorism on mainland Britain, 1969 - 1997.

Have a look at this memorial to Field Marshal Wilson, at London's Liverpool Street Station http://www.hellfire-corner.demon.co.uk/westlake londonliverpool3.jpg
 
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But any such discussion would would lead to coverage in the British media about the involvement of some sections of the Irish State in IRA terrorism on mainland Britain, 1969 - 1997.

Have a look at this memorial to Field Marshal Wilson, at London's Liverpool Street Station http://www.hellfire-corner.demon.co.uk/westlake londonliverpool3.jpg
Your point might be better served by using anyone other than that old scumbag as an example. He was no 'innocent'...
 
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Chairperson Bernie McNally appealed for ministers to restore funding which she said has been completely withdrawn.
Without it the group will have to close down at the end of June.
"Our Government is failing to honour its obligations to victims which it signed up to in the Good Friday Agreement," said Ms McNally.
"There is no question of funding being withdrawn from the many victims' organisations in Northern Ireland at this time.
"We are being discriminated against simply because of our location."
Funds call for bomb victim campaign - National News, Breaking News - Argus.ie


Yep, they have the misfortune of being related to people killed on this side of the border. Shaming.
 

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It was a horrendous act of British terror, no warnings - no targets except innocent passers by... The British basically bombed 100% civilian streets - if they wanted to 'make a point' to the Irish Govt why did they target ordinary people in that way?

The sense of outrage from this atrocity should have been greater even than Bloody Sunday (as it was a crime of even greater magnitude)... Small surprise the Republic's authorities wanted to keep a lid on it as if it had been truthfully exposed anger would have been transformed into support for the IRA in the North and the Republic Govt were coming to regard the IRA as their greatest enemy and a threat around this time (not the British or Loyalists), the Irish Govt around this time also knew about child abuse in Ireland around then and covered that up too.

Surprised the French and Italian Govts never made more of it as they lost citizens in this indiscriminate attack as well. It is wrong that the Govt withdraws funding for those campaigning for justice for their famillies - but the Governments of Ireland having in all probability aided in the destruction of the files may secretly agree that this quest is safely a nonstarter now anyway - and the continued demands by the relatives is an embarrassing reminder of the whole disgraceful affair.
 
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Now that Saville has reported and great play has been made in the media of the 'closure' for the Derry families (leaving aside that the report's finding that there was no high level conspiracy is clearly absurd), and given renewed calls for inquiries into other killings like the Ballymurphy internment duck-shoot, perhaps the Irish government might help their own citizens, the families and victims of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, including the other Dublin bombings, this side of the border achieve closure too. At the very least maybe they might now see fit to restoring funding to the Justice for the Forgotten group. Or is the culture of treating victims here, out of the spotlight of the international media, with contempt going to continue?...
 

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It was a horrendous act of British terror, no warnings - no targets except innocent passers by... The British basically bombed 100% civilian streets - if they wanted to 'make a point' to the Irish Govt why did they target ordinary people in that way?

The sense of outrage from this atrocity should have been greater even than Bloody Sunday (as it was a crime of even greater magnitude)... Small surprise the Republic's authorities wanted to keep a lid on it as if it had been truthfully exposed anger would have been transformed into support for the IRA in the North and the Republic Govt were coming to regard the IRA as their greatest enemy and a threat around this time (not the British or Loyalists), the Irish Govt around this time also knew about child abuse in Ireland around then and covered that up too.

Surprised the French and Italian Govts never made more of it as they lost citizens in this indiscriminate attack as well. It is wrong that the Govt withdraws funding for those campaigning for justice for their famillies - but the Governments of Ireland having in all probability aided in the destruction of the files may secretly agree that this quest is safely a nonstarter now anyway - and the continued demands by the relatives is an embarrassing reminder of the whole disgraceful affair.
It wasnt their first bombing , or their last . Just previously they had demanded of a ff governemnt the rights of Irish citizens under the law be binned . Jack Lynch caved in but FG didnt . There were mass street protests in Dublin attended by all sorts of people and a number of FF tds looked to be wavering . On the eve of the vote a car bomb went off within earshot of leinster house , killing civilians , and ensuring the passing of draconian legislation . Lynch admitted later he suspected British government responsibility . When the lynch government fell the brits demanded of FG even much more draconian legislation be enacted against Irish citizens south of the border as well as the British intelligence services themselves being put in a senior role in the states secutity apparatus . A security apparatus theyd already steadily subverted by that period. FG refused , whereupon soon after a deadly massacre was unleashed accross Dublin and in monaghan too as a diversion . FG then immediately caved and at Baldonnel airport a secret meeting took place which handed the states security effectively over to the British intelligence services to administer . Hardly surprising then that the massacre which the British intelligence services themselves commited would then be covered up and british agents appointed to numerous sensitive posts in the states security departments. The same people that committed that massacre would continue to carry out further atrocities in the state for some years later completely unpreturbed by any garda scrutiny despite the gardai knowing their identties for years . Essentially these agents were protected by other agents who were supposed to arrest them .
One such agent , detective sergeant McCoy of the monaghan detective unit has openly blackmailed and threatened the Irish government in the print media that he'll reveal all if the state permits any probe . The state colluded in the mass murder of its own citizens , and the guilty are still there in positions of power . Its exactly what they did with the priests , the same corruption .
Mass murder that could very easily happen again if deemed necessary given the power and responsibilites of the guilty today within the state - the british intelligence services.
 
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Justice for the Forgotten, which represents victims of the Troubles, has said it will cease to exist by the end of this month if it does not secure funding.
Last year, the Department of Justice announced it would no longer fund the group's work anymore and efforts to secure alternative funding have so far failed.
In a letter sent to the Minister for Justice, Dermot Ahern, last week, Margaret Urwin of the group appealed for funding for a period of two years to allow it to conclude its work.

RTÉ News: Doubts over Justice for the Forgotten's future
 

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What exactly is the money required for? There are any number of advocacy organisations around the country that do their work on a voluntary basis, it might sound heartless but why does this group need money or is it a means for some legal beagle folks to earn some cash?
 
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They essentially do the job that the state, the first duty of which is to protect its own citizens, hasn't. These people should not have to ask for help, it shouldn't be them having to perform this function. But the state has failed over 35 years to properly pursue the truth on behalf of its own citizens, one suspects deliberately so.

Justice for the Forgotten is the main liaison between victims and their families and the Historical Enquiries Team in Northern Ireland.
The group also acts as a contact point for families when dealing with gardaí reviewing various investigations.
It has also campaigned to have memorials commemorating the dead in locations where bombings have occurred, such as Monaghan, Dublin and Belturbet, Co Cavan.
Survivors, and the families of victims who died, have said their voices will be silenced by the disappearance of Justice for the Forgotten.
 

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What exactly is the money required for? There are any number of advocacy organisations around the country that do their work on a voluntary basis, it might sound heartless but why does this group need money or is it a means for some legal beagle folks to earn some cash?
I'm not sure there are many advocacy organisations that are completely voluntary to be honest.

Leaving that aside, what we do know is that there are certainly many advocacy/victim support organisations in the North of Ireland that do the exact same job as Justice for the Forgotten yet continue to be funded by the Northern Executive (and in some cases, ironically, by our very own Department of Foreign Affairs). This is because the work they do is seen to be, and was acknowledged as such in the GFA, a core part of ensuring the peace process is successful.

It's very simple, insofar as the Irish Govt is concerned, if the work of JFF is not considered to be of value, then the Department of Foreign Affairs is wasting our money in the North of Ireland.

By the way I can state with some certainty that the legal case JFF is engaged with is being done on a very generous, pro bono basis.
 

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It IS heartless

What exactly is the money required for? There are any number of advocacy organisations around the country that do their work on a voluntary basis, it might sound heartless but why does this group need money or is it a means for some legal beagle folks to earn some cash?
FFS it was only €145,000 pa, less than Liam Cosgrove & Garrett Fitzgerald, who failed to help the relatives of the 34 dead & 200 injured, get for nothing. And less than half what Cowen gets. For over 20 years they got nothing, not even a conviction, trial, charge or a single arrest.
 

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FFS it was only €145,000 pa, less than Liam Cosgrove & Garrett Fitzgerald, who failed to help the relatives of the 34 dead & 200 injured, get for nothing. And less than half what Cowen gets. For over 20 years they got nothing, not even a conviction, trial, charge or a single arrest.
they did get harassed though . The 145,000 pa is probably less than the garda special branch overtime bill and the hours clocked up monitoring , scowling , photographing and jotting down number plates , stopping and questioning those attending their commemorations and press conferences over the past 20 years. As yet no explanation as to why the garda siochana have taken this aggressive attitude towards people whose only apparent crime has been the misfortune to be blown to smithereens by the gardas associates and de facto bosses .
 

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