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Dublin public bike scheme an unprecedented success




alonso

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One for the nay sayers, the inferiority complex-ridden Oirish eejits and the begrudgers. You should look back to some of the comments made here about this scheme before it launched.

While i opposed the advertising deal and still haven't heard about any of the illegal decaux billboards coming down as of yet, at least the bike element has kicked ass beyond belief. The other day while crossing Pearse st, 3 of these went past, driven by people ranging from their early 20's to their 60's, none looked foreign or like tourists, all looked like they were on the way to work.

Great stuff. Expand, expand, expand!!!! now.
 

toughbutfair

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I was wrong on this one. I thought bikes would be stolen. Great to see something work.
 

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An unqualified success. Unfortunately it has wiped out the taxi business further.

Next the Council will probably ban taxis from Dublin City Centre :(
 

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One for the nay sayers, the inferiority complex-ridden Oirish eejits and the begrudgers. You should look back to some of the comments made here about this scheme before it launched.

While i opposed the advertising deal and still haven't heard about any of the illegal decaux billboards coming down as of yet, at least the bike element has kicked ass beyond belief. The other day while crossing Pearse st, 3 of these went past, driven by people ranging from their early 20's to their 60's, none looked foreign or like tourists, all looked like they were on the way to work.

Great stuff. Expand, expand, expand!!!! now.
Should anyone of note be reading this, may I suggest a rack of bikes including childrens models near say Clontarf and Seapoint Dart stations allowing families to rent the bikes and use them on the excellent bayside cycle paths..... also allowing Parents to teach kids in safety and easily reachable by most (and far cheaper than forkig out for bikes for all the family)........just an idea ........
 

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Should anyone of note be reading this, may I suggest a rack of bikes including childrens models near say Clontarf and Seapoint Dart stations allowing families to rent the bikes and use them on the excellent bayside cycle paths..... also allowing Parents to teach kids in safety and easily reachable by most (and far cheaper than forkig out for bikes for all the family)........just an idea ........
good idea - anything that encourages kids to be active is great - see obesity thread.
 

alonso

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An unqualified success. Unfortunately it has wiped out the taxi business further.

Next the Council will probably ban taxis from Dublin City Centre :(
Well i've used them once or twice as an alternative to a taxi alright. no harm though, better value and quicker. Nothin like a bit of competition eh...

brughaha said:
Should anyone of note be reading this, may I suggest a rack of bikes including childrens models near say Clontarf and Seapoint Dart stations allowing families to rent the bikes and use them on the excellent bayside cycle paths..... also allowing Parents to teach kids in safety and easily reachable by most (and far cheaper than forkig out for bikes for all the family)........just an idea ........

That would require a massive expansion of this particular scheme though. Perhaps an independent scheme for those coastal areas would be more advantageous. One of the features of the city scheme is that there are stations around 400m apart so if one is empty on arrival or full on return you don't have far to go to another. It's most suited to an area with a high density demand for short trips. I can't see it going much further than places like Phibsboro, Kilmainham, Ringsend etc.

Your post also brings to mind the stalling Sutton to Sandycove cycleway, S2S. It's been talked about for a decade or so but while parts are in situ, there's a helluva lot still to be done.

But it's incredible. The weather, the traffic, the state of the roads, the actions of certain drivers, the poor image of cycling - none of these factors seem to have played any part in the success of this scheme. Dublin bikes seem now to have entered many hundreds of peoples daily commute permanently. Brilliant stuff

A few more bike parks in the city centre like Drury St and we'll all be laughin
Dublin City Cycling Blog New cycle parking facility on Drury Street

 

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Well i've used them once or twice as an alternative to a taxi alright. no harm though, better value and quicker. Nothin like a bit of competition eh...




That would require a massive expansion of this particular scheme though. Perhaps an independent scheme for those coastal areas would be more advantageous. One of the features of the city scheme is that there are stations around 400m apart so if one is empty on arrival or full on return you don't have far to go to another. It's most suited to an area with a high density demand for short trips. I can't see it going much further than places like Phibsboro, Kilmainham, Ringsend etc.

Your post also brings to mind the stalling Sutton to Sandycove cycleway, S2S. It's been talked about for a decade or so but while parts are in situ, there's a helluva lot still to be done.

But it's incredible. The weather, the traffic, the state of the roads, the actions of certain drivers, the poor image of cycling - none of these factors seem to have played any part in the success of this scheme. Dublin bikes seem now to have entered many hundreds of peoples daily commute permanently. Brilliant stuff

A few more bike parks in the city centre like Drury St and we'll all be laughin
Dublin City Cycling Blog New cycle parking facility on Drury Street

As I said just an idea (although wasn't really thinking of intergration more families using them for fun day trips and teaching purposes etc and returning them to the same rack before hopping on a dart, )

Wasn't aware of that plan, would love to see it happen and I,m more than familiar with the Northside leg of that trip ( and if i ever win the euromillions I'll personally sponsor a boardwalk between the wooden bridge and the raheny causeway!)
Finding a route from sutton to Howth would be nice too as that leg is pretty scary but still what we have is a b eautiful and easy cycle for people of all ages (hence the suggestion of family bikes and teaching) and Ive had many a foreign visitor out here marvel that the coastline isn't a collection of expensive private high rise apartments and in awe of the open space along the coast (St Annes is the nicest park in Dublin - he says biasedly)so close to the city centre


And while we mightn't match some German or Dutch cities I find cycling far more common in Ireland than any cities in the UK or Spain (Bilbao and Barcelona) (purely on personal observation) and most kids are still taught to ride a bike thankfully

Sometimes I think we're overly self critical,

EDIT Just looked at that link .... what a great idea!!!
 

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Any chance of it coming to Galway or Cork within the next 50 years?
 

alonso

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If enough of you lobby for it florin. Although galway did a great job of imitating 40 years of mistakes in Dublin in the last few years so cycling may be a non-starter there.
 

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Any chance of it coming to Galway or Cork within the next 50 years?
This isn't a national thing, it's something a few Dublin CC councillors got off their asses and did themselves. Ask your local councillor what they're doing.
 

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I notice the artcile makes no mention of JC Decaux's advertiing interest in this scheme.

Dublin is not an unprecedented success. The pilot scheme for this was in Lyon, France (Velo'v) in 2007 and in 2008 had 60,000 inscriptions.
 
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If enough of you lobby for it florin. Although galway did a great job of imitating 40 years of mistakes in Dublin in the last few years so cycling may be a non-starter there.
40 years is a bit of an overshoot. As little as 15 years ago Galway had a huge number of people on bikes (big student population where almost none owned cars and the general traffic was lighter). The biggest impediment is the traffic - within about 5 years between 1995 and 2000 the number of cyclists collapsed because it became significantly more dangerous. I know of one secondary school where they went from hundreds of girls cycling to school each day to a grand total of one in recent times. Same with the college students - many just ditched the bikes and a significant amount got their own cars, making the traffic around the colleges even more dangerous and putting cyclists off. Infrastructure changes weren't the problem, as the road network where cyclists were common is largely untouched. A scheme like this could help reverse the process by turning a section of the car traffic into bike traffic without the need for infrastructure changes that have little chance of happening in the current climate. But has it ever been done in a place with a population density as low as Galway?
 

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40 years is a bit of an overshoot. As little as 15 years ago Galway had a huge number of people on bikes (big student population where almost none owned cars and the general traffic was lighter). The biggest impediment is the traffic - within about 5 years between 1995 and 2000 the number of cyclists collapsed because it became significantly more dangerous. I know of one secondary school where they went from hundreds of girls cycling to school each day to a grand total of one in recent times. Same with the college students - many just ditched the bikes and a significant amount got their own cars, making the traffic around the colleges even more dangerous and putting cyclists off. Infrastructure changes weren't the problem, as the road network where cyclists were common is largely untouched. A scheme like this could help reverse the process by turning a section of the car traffic into bike traffic without the need for infrastructure changes that have little chance of happening in the current climate. But has it ever been done in a place with a population density as low as Galway?
Indeed. I personaly like cycling but hate to cycle in the city, or rather the traffic, so I get public transport. I'd cycle much more if there were a good bicycle lane network.
 

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what i meant was that 40 years of mistakes in Dublin were carreid out in 10 years in Galway. As a related aside. I believe that if you look at the Census for 2006 only about 500 teenage girls cycle to school in the State. I'll dig up the source in a bit
 

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Beyond 20/20 WDS - Table View

521 females aged 13-18 cycled to school or college in 2006.
Fcking hell. That many women in their 20's or 30's might use a DB every day alone!!!
 

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Not wanting to be a nay sayer but on what basis is it being judged as a success? I don't know if Councillors are exactly unbiased on assessing the success or otherwise. Expecting 1,000 subscriptions seems to have set the bar very low.

The advertising deal still has not been resolved as I believe many do not have planning permission. The location of the low level advertising boards leaves a lot to be desired - they are too close to the kerb so motorists cannot see pedestrians.
 

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A success but not an unqualified success. Let's keep a grasp on reality.

1. What is the unit cost per bike?
2. What is the maintenence cost per bike?

On a related issue I was in Halfords yesterday and saw bikes for sale with three pices quoted on them.

1. The actual price.
2. The price claiming the cycle to work tax break at the lower rate.
3. The price claiming the cycle to work tax break at the higher rate.

I then looked up Halfords.co.uk and saw the the prices of the exact same bikes in the UK were all lower than the lowest price quoted here.
 

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On a related issue I was in Halfords yesterday and saw bikes for sale with three pices quoted on them.

1. The actual price.
2. The price claiming the cycle to work tax break at the lower rate.
3. The price claiming the cycle to work tax break at the higher rate.

I then looked up Halfords.co.uk and saw the the prices of the exact same bikes in the UK were all lower than the lowest price quoted here.
Lower VAT in UK?

In my experience Halford prices in the UK are fairly close to the ones I have seen in Ireland. I bought car battery recently which was 100 Euro compared with 83 pounds. They don't seem to be anyway as bad as clothes retailers.
 

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