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DUP members against Brexit

shiel

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Just stating the facts - the majority of Irish people want the reunification of our country, our people and the end of England's ongoing occupation in Ireland.

Minoritarianism is the antithesis of democracy. England's artificial veto on democracy in my country backed up with an implicit threat of violence is the cause of all the trouble in Ireland,

If there were real democracy in Ireland, England would have been shown the door a long time ago.
We settled that argument with the Good Friday Agreement.

Brexit is in danger of tearing it up.

Hence the need to maintain the backstop and to keep repeating the serious implications of Brexit.
 


Talk Back

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We settled that argument with the Good Friday Agreement.

Brexit is in danger of tearing it up.

Hence the need to maintain the backstop and to keep repeating the serious implications of Brexit.
All that happened was that the status of the occupied 6 counties in UK law, prior to the GFA was restated - while at the same time, our rightful claim to the territorial integrity of our country was forfeited as it was in Dec 1921.

There was already provision made for the reunification of Ireland by the UK in its ‘Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973’, which preceded the GFA, and in its ‘Ireland Act 1949’ – and indeed in its ‘Government of Ireland Act 1920’, which partitioned our country in the first place, but did make provision for reunification, albeit Ireland within the UK.

(s. 1) of the ‘Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973’ states that,
It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland remains part of Her Majesty's dominions and of the United Kingdom, and it is hereby affirmed that in no event will Northern Ireland or any part of it cease to be part of Her Majesty's dominions and of the United Kingdom without the consent of the majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section in accordance with Schedule 1 to this Act.

s. 1(2) of the ‘Ireland Act 1949’ states that,
All of Northern Ireland will continue as part of the United Kingdom, and would remain within the Commonwealth, unless the Parliament of Northern Ireland consented otherwise.

A border poll was already held on the 8th of March 1973 which Nationalists boycotted. This poll also made provision for the holding of periodic plebiscites on the constitutional link with Great Britain. Whatever happened to that nugget? – rhetorical question, but one would have to think, based on all the facts above, and on what has evolved once the result of the UK brexit referendum became known, that everything is not as it seems.

The fact remains, the majority of Irish people want the reunification of our country, our people and the end of England's ongoing occupation in Ireland - and If there were real democracy in Ireland, the question we all want asked would be long answered and England would have been shown the door a long time ago.
 

bang bang

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Your comparison is hopelessly invalid. The majority of the population of the channel islands did not consider themselves to be German for a start.
You're in serious need of a history lesson, TB is bang on. I refer you to the 1918 election.
 

shiel

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All that happened was that the status of the occupied 6 counties in UK law, prior to the GFA was restated - while at the same time, our rightful claim to the territorial integrity of our country was forfeited as it was in Dec 1921.

There was already provision made for the reunification of Ireland by the UK in its ‘Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973’, which preceded the GFA, and in its ‘Ireland Act 1949’ – and indeed in its ‘Government of Ireland Act 1920’, which partitioned our country in the first place, but did make provision for reunification, albeit Ireland within the UK.

(s. 1) of the ‘Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973’ states that,
It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland remains part of Her Majesty's dominions and of the United Kingdom, and it is hereby affirmed that in no event will Northern Ireland or any part of it cease to be part of Her Majesty's dominions and of the United Kingdom without the consent of the majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section in accordance with Schedule 1 to this Act.

s. 1(2) of the ‘Ireland Act 1949’ states that,
All of Northern Ireland will continue as part of the United Kingdom, and would remain within the Commonwealth, unless the Parliament of Northern Ireland consented otherwise.

A border poll was already held on the 8th of March 1973 which Nationalists boycotted. This poll also made provision for the holding of periodic plebiscites on the constitutional link with Great Britain. Whatever happened to that nugget? – rhetorical question, but one would have to think, based on all the facts above, and on what has evolved once the result of the UK brexit referendum became known, that everything is not as it seems.

The fact remains, the majority of Irish people want the reunification of our country, our people and the end of England's ongoing occupation in Ireland - and If there were real democracy in Ireland, the question we all want asked would be long answered and England would have been shown the door a long time ago.
The Belfast Agreement is an international agreement and was supported by a massive majority vote on the island of Ireland.

Brexit will tear it up if the backstop is not maintained.

Tearing up treaties has been a feature of colonial history by London for centuries.

It has to be opposed.
 

raetsel

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So there are some members of the DUP with moments of clarity & pragmatism after all .. who'd a thunk it :unsure:

DUP member says Sammy Wilson should not be allowed to dictate party's Brexit stance

Former Chairperson of the South Belfast DUP David Cather said that Mr Wilson's hard line on Brexit risked steering the party towards a no-deal situation.
DUP member says Sammy Wilson should not be allowed to dictate partys Brexit stance - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk


Feck that, poor David might have to leave his boiler back :speechless:
David Cather clearly didn't get the memo.
It is increasingly obvious that the DUP's otherwise inexplicable position on Brexit, which will inevitably make their members and supporters poorer, is at least partly driven by an overriding desire to stem the flow of 'new Catholics' into N. Ireland.
More Poles live in north than people from the Republic - The Irish News
The long term effects of this migration of people on the political landscape are fairly predictable and it is more likely than not that this demographic will lean towards nationalism when political awareness becomes a factor, for fairly obvious reasons.
 

AhNowStop

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David Cather clearly didn't get the memo.
It is increasingly obvious that the DUP's otherwise inexplicable position on Brexit, which will inevitably make their members and supporters poorer, is at least partly driven by an overriding desire to stem the flow of 'new Catholics' into N. Ireland.
More Poles live in north than people from the Republic - The Irish News
The long term effects of this migration of people on the political landscape are fairly predictable and it is more likely than not that this demographic will lean towards nationalism when political awareness becomes a factor, for fairly obvious reasons.
That is probably one of their many reasons along with building that wall and hoping the border regions especially turn into economic basket cases prompting emigration of fenians from the area ....

All very desperate & foolish especially when the hand of friendship and/or accepting special status “could” have staved off the end of their little manufactured sectarian statelet for quite a while longer .... unfortunately for them though they’re just too arrogant & supremacist to consider that option ....

Ah well :roll:
 

Talk Back

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Only 8 hundred thousand or so Unionists about the place these days, in a country of over 6 million.

Only 48 percent in the occupied 6 counties according to the 2011 census and falling sharply - the census in 2 years times is expected to have them in the low to mid 40 percent.

Time we Irish stopped pandering to their bullsh1t - Unionism in Ireland is FINISHED.
 

michael-mcivor

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No tariffs for goods / exports across Ireland in the event of a no-deal according to the Tory’s this morning- but there will be tariffs between Ireland and England in a no-deal- so there is going to be a major difference between the six counties and England no matter if the DUP get their no-deal or not- it’s lose lose DUP-
 

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No tariffs for goods / exports across Ireland in the event of a no-deal according to the Tory’s this morning- but there will be tariffs between Ireland and England in a no-deal- so there is going to be a major difference between the six counties and England no matter if the DUP get their no-deal or not- it’s lose lose DUP-

The DUP will not allow this to stand. Its the border in the Irish sea !!!!
 

jmcc

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No tariffs for goods / exports across Ireland in the event of a no-deal according to the Tory’s this morning- but there will be tariffs between Ireland and England in a no-deal- so there is going to be a major difference between the six counties and England no matter if the DUP get their no-deal or not- it’s lose lose DUP-
The words "direct rule" were even mentioned today. Wonder if the British are pleased to have the DUP on their side or not on their side? Are they thinking that it would be a good thing not to have to deal with NI and get rid of NI at the same time as they leave the EU?
 

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The words "direct rule" were even mentioned today. Wonder if the British are pleased to have the DUP on their side or not on their side? Are they thinking that it would be a good thing not to have to deal with NI and get rid of NI at the same time as they leave the EU?
Tory Government trying to scare the DUP all right and it will work- we had years where the DUP would not talk or sit in the same TV studio as Sinn Fein and before you could say ‘ turnaround ‘ they were in government with Sinn Fein-
The Brits will have to pay war reparations if they want to get rid of us- border-poll or not- some in the media are smoothing up to the border-poll- they know what side of their toast is buttered-
 

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Tory Government trying to scare the DUP all right and it will work- we had years where the DUP would not talk or sit in the same TV studio as Sinn Fein and before you could say ‘ turnaround ‘ they were in government with Sinn Fein-
The Brits will have to pay war reparations if they want to get rid of us- border-poll or not- some in the media are smoothing up to the border-poll- they know what side of their toast is buttered-
It does look like there's going to be a lot of quick repositioning due to Brexit. All that's left at this stage is for Fine Gael to announce that they will be running joint candidates in the upcoming elections in NI. The Tory party can either buy them off or destroy them. I wouldn't be surprised to see the sentiment turning towards the latter option.
 
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But it is not their mainland. They are viewed as Irish not British in the UK.
By some maybe, but the people of Northern Ireland are not viewed as real Irish by the people of Eire.
 

jmcc

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By some maybe, but the people of Northern Ireland are not viewed as real Irish by the people of Eire.
Well you do venerate a gay Dutch chap supported by the Pope. It won't be much of a change to vote for Varadkar then. :)
 

between the bridges

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Tory Government trying to scare the DUP all right and it will work- we had years where the DUP would not talk or sit in the same TV studio as Sinn Fein and before you could say ‘ turnaround ‘ they were in government with Sinn Fein-
The Brits will have to pay war reparations if they want to get rid of us- border-poll or not- some in the media are smoothing up to the border-poll- they know what side of their toast is buttered-
Mick on the flip side Jarry promised the drones Ui by 2016 and instead yez spent 10 years licking the Duppers aras while the Armani council agents became millionaires...
 

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Well you do venerate a gay Dutch chap supported by the Pope. It won't be much of a change to vote for Varadkar then. :)
I didn't even know Leo was Dutch nor a Unionist.
But glad you accept my point
 

jmcc

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I didn't even know Leo was Dutch nor a Unionist.
See! You learn something new every day on P.ie. FG inherited many of the Irish Unionists. The British may still look at you as just another Irish Unionist but in FG, you would be considered party membership material. One of the Youth FG groups decided to offer Maggie Thatcher life membership a few years ago.

But glad you accept my point
Many British people would be confused about the DUP as it doesn't really represent the modern, multicultural UK of the 21st century. Becasuse of centuries of emigration due partly to the effects of Loyalism, many tens of millions of British people have Irish blood. The British have largely changed but the DUP has not. The British are more concerned about what happens in London than Derry. You may want to identify as British and that is your right. But the British largely see the DUP as Irish. The DUP has manoueuvered itself into being the scapegoat for any of the Brexit problems because you nailed your flags to the Tory mast. And to paraphrase Kipling (an Indian, by the way), it's Willie this and Willie that until the division bell starts to ring.
 

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