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DUP table petition of concern in bid to prevent marriage equality in N. Ireland


Glaucon

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The DUP appear to be pulling all the tricks out of the bag on this one, including trading a bizarre shot at the Republic's constitutional convention.

Mr Weir continued: "It has been made very clear that same sex marriage will not be introduced in NI and the DUP is tabling a Petition of Concern to ensure that this motion will not be carried.

"We are the only party to have a united position in opposition to the redefinition of marriage.

"However we also do not believe that a Constitutional Convention in the Republic of Ireland should have any input into policy which is wholly a matter for representatives in this part of the United Kingdom to decide."
DUP petition over same sex marriage - UTV Live News

Hopefully the DUP will be thwarted on this, but given the Unionist parties' conservatism and the SDLP's vacillating, I'm not confident that it will pass. Still, well done to SF on progressing this issue and campaigning for equal civil rights for gays and lesbians in Northern Ireland.
 

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The DUP appear to be pulling all the tricks out of the bag on this one, including trading a bizarre shot at the Republic's constitutional convention.



DUP petition over same sex marriage - UTV Live News

Hopefully the DUP will be thwarted on this, but given the Unionist parties' conservatism and the SDLP's vacillating, I'm not confident that it will pass. Still, well done to SF on progressing this issue and campaigning for equal civil rights for gays and lesbians in Northern Ireland.
What a shocker :)
 
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The thing I find strange about this is that there has been no debate on the matter and it doesn't seem to have been on anyone's manifesto so I'm wondering why such a controversial issue is going through Stormont. Sinn Fein are the main advocates of this supported mostly by Alliance. It definitely wasn't in Alliance's manifesto, so they've no mandate on the issue, was it in Sinn Fein's?
 

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The thing I find strange about this is that there has been no debate on the matter and it doesn't seem to have been on anyone's manifesto so I'm wondering why such a controversial issue is going through Stormont. Sinn Fein are the main advocates of this supported mostly by Alliance. It definitely wasn't in Alliance's manifesto, so they've no mandate on the issue, was it in Sinn Fein's?
I cannot say if it was specifically stated in the Assembly election manifesto, but it was certainly present in their 2011 Irish General Election manifesto:

Sinn Féin is committed to:

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Legislation to permit and recognise same-sex marriage. Provide full and equal recognition of all civil partnerships in law.
http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2011/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf

Hopefully the SDLP will show some mettle and ensure that all of Nationalism shows itself to be behind equal rights for homosexuals in this regard, even if it is scuppered by the biblical cavemen in the DUP.
 
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Castle Ray

Calling people"Biblical cavemen" is the kind of bigotry you seem to profess to abhor. Marriage is based on a religious / biblical sacrament. If you are against biblical practice why is marriage so important to you?
 
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The SF manifesto in 2011 Northern Ireland Assembly election only included the following: "Orientation Strategy and work for the formal recognition that s.75(2) ‘good relations duty’ of the NI Act 1998 applies to all s.75(1) ‘equality duty’ groups".

It all seems quite autocratic to be pushing this highly contentious issue without a mandate. To me Alliance and SF have been rather gung ho / dishonest with the electorate. They sought votes, got them and just do whatever they want afterwards regardless of their mandate. APNI's only excuse is they have never considered "whipping" their MLAs. Indeed two absented themselves from a previous vote. I don't think a Petition of Concern involves "whips" but is it a whipping issue for SF?
 

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It will be interesting for SF reps going door to door in rural areas with conservative Catholics and trying to get votes and handing out manifestos with such policies. The SDLP are having similar internal problems i've heard before, do they even have a central policy on same sex marriage?
 

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The DUP appear to be pulling all the tricks out of the bag on this one, including trading a bizarre shot at the Republic's constitutional convention.



DUP petition over same sex marriage - UTV Live News

Hopefully the DUP will be thwarted on this, but given the Unionist parties' conservatism and the SDLP's vacillating, I'm not confident that it will pass. Still, well done to SF on progressing this issue and campaigning for equal civil rights for gays and lesbians in Northern Ireland.
It's a great move by SF and along with the abortion motion, places them (along with the Greens) as a party for this century. The SDLP are exposed as a largely parochial party and out of touch with modern attitudes. Unionism remains in situ as the red neck, eastern branch of the teabaggers. As usual, they show themselves to be as in sympatico with the British as the Taliban
 

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Calling people"Biblical cavemen" is the kind of bigotry you seem to profess to abhor. Marriage is based on a religious / biblical sacrament. If you are against biblical practice why is marriage so important to you?
Just a few weeks ago, there was the first gay Zulu wedding. Now, Africans are hardly known for being in the vanguard on gay issues. That's how far behind unionists and altar craving Catholics are. Biblical cavemen is a very precise and accurate term for them

[video=youtube;WBgAeCtbD40]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBgAeCtbD40[/video]
 

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Calling people"Biblical cavemen" is the kind of bigotry you seem to profess to abhor. Marriage is based on a religious / biblical sacrament. If you are against biblical practice why is marriage so important to you?
Marriage is a societal bond and is regulated by the polity (state). Marriage predates organized religion and takes various forms around the world, including but not limited to one man and one woman. What Sinn Féin favour is gays and lesbians right to avail of civil marriage; religious ceremonies are not to be impacted.

The DUP are fundamentalist religious caveman and are behind the rest of the UK on this; never mind the civilized world. They have also showed themselves again and again to be latent homophobes, evidenced in the likes of Ian Paisley Jr.'s comment that he was "disgusted" by "the activities" of the homosexual community, or his father Ian's crusade to "Save Ulster from Sodomy" back in the early 80s.

Sinn Féin are an all-Ireland party and as their 2011 Irish election manifesto was released before the Assembly elections in the North, I'm sure they'd make the argument that they fully informed their voters as to their intentions.
 
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Marriage is a societal bond and is regulated by the polity (state). Marriage predates organized religion and takes various forms around the world, including but not limited to one man and one woman. What Sinn Féin favour is gays and lesbians rights to avail of civil marriage; religious ceremonies are not to be impacted.

The DUP are fundamentalist religious caveman and are behind the rest of the UK on this; never mind the civilized world.

Sinn Féin are an all-Ireland party and as their 2011 Irish election manifesto was released before the Assembly elections in the North, I'm sure they'd make the argument that they fully informed their voters as to their intentions.
If one accepted the christians point of view, it means that atheist's and slack christian's marriages are not legitimate
 
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Castle Ray

Just a few weeks ago, there was the first gay Zulu wedding. Now, Africans are hardly known for being in the vanguard on gay issues. That's how far behind unionists and altar craving Catholics are. Biblical cavemen is a very precise and accurate term for them

[video=youtube;WBgAeCtbD40]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBgAeCtbD40[/video]
I prefer more tolerance to gay people and religious people than that. It's a very bigoted approach you're taking.
 
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Marriage is a societal bond and is regulated by the polity (state). Marriage predates organized religion and takes various forms around the world, including but not limited to one man and one woman. What Sinn Féin favour is gays and lesbians right to avail of civil marriage; religious ceremonies are not to be impacted.

The DUP are fundamentalist religious caveman and are behind the rest of the UK on this; never mind the civilized world. They have also showed themselves again and again to be latent homophobes, evidenced in the likes of Ian Paisley Jr.'s comment that he was "disgusted" by "the activities" of the homosexual community, or his father Ian's crusade to "Save Ulster from Sodomy" back in the early 80s.

Sinn Féin are an all-Ireland party and as their 2011 Irish election manifesto was released before the Assembly elections in the North, I'm sure they'd make the argument that they fully informed their voters as to their intentions.
It is a reasonable position for Sinn Fein to take however they should have had the debate and put it to the electorate. SF were not elected on a manifesto for Eire. They were elected on their Northern ireland manifesto.
 

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I prefer a more tolerance to gay people and religious people than that. It's a very bigoted approach you're taking.
Why would I tolerate religion seeping in to civil society and politics, its lies, fantasy and fiction?
 
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Castle Ray

Why would I tolerate religion seeping in to civil society and politics, its lies, fantasy and fiction?
That's you're opinion and that is fair enough but your language and approach is really quite bigoted.
 

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Fair play to SF for pushing what is arguably the defining civil rights issue of this generation. Marriage equality is only right and just. History will judge all those opposed to gay rights and same sex marriage in a similar vein to opponents of one man, one vote, Catholic emancipation and the civil rights movement in the United States and Ireland.
 

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That's you're opinion and that is fair enough but your language and approach is really quite bigoted.
Because I don't tolerate intolerance?
 
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Because I don't tolerate intolerance?
I don't buy that excuse of "intolerance of intolerance" when all that is being done is disrespect and intolerance for a different view yet you seek tolerance and respect for others. The debate needs to be had on civil marriages but forcing the issue without having it coupled with insults is no progressive position IMHO.
 

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I don't buy that excuse of "intolerance of intolerance" when all that is being done is disrespect and intolerance for a different view yet you seek tolerance and respect for others.
You do realise you're giving the classic "if you call a fascist a fascist then you're a fascist yourself" line there? That incredible line that's thrown out by racists, bigots and supremacists alike never ceases to amuse me.

Don't call me a bigot because that means you're a bigot!!!!
 
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