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Eamon Gilmore defending wage inequality for new graduate nurses on Morning ireland this morning, What do genuine old labour think about this??....


Maothail Lad

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Eamon Gilmore defending wage inequality for new graduate nurses on Morning ireland this morning, What do genuine old labour think about this??....

What do grassroots Labour members think of Gilmore's interview on morning Ireland this morning. Particularly his defense of wage inequality for new graduate nurses. I can't ever re-call a labour leader making or defending such decisions. Here is a link to the audio with the pay issue starting at 9mins 15 seconds approx.

RT.ie Radio 1: Morning Ireland Media Player
 

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What is so objectionable to new recruits being paid less than existing staff? (even if they are doing the same job). Either they can accept the terms, pays and conditions or not. Different times, different contractual terms. There is no equality issue here.
 

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What is so objectionable to new recruits being paid less than existing staff? (even if they are doing the same job). Either they can accept the terms, pays and conditions or not. Different times, different contractual terms. There is no equality issue here.
Nonsense. There is no reason why existing staff oughtnt take a pay cut to ensure that new staff recruited are given fair pay.

Furthermore, why don't the existing staff strike to ensure the new recruits are properly paid?
 

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What is so objectionable to new recruits being paid less than existing staff? (even if they are doing the same job). Either they can accept the terms, pays and conditions or not. Different times, different contractual terms. There is no equality issue here.
Do you agree with Gilmores decision to increase the salary of those chosen by him to act as his and his party's advisors and increase their salary by €60,000 or €70,000 when he came into power? [An increase which resulted in their salary exceeding the recommended amount set down by the Department of Finance by as much as 70%]

Do you agree, on that basis, that he can be taken seriously when he tries to defend the employemnt of new nurses at low pay rates?
 

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Gilmore is about as Labour as Maggie Thatcher!
 

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What do grassroots Labour members think of Gilmore's interview on morning Ireland this morning. Particularly his defense of wage inequality for new graduate nurses. I can't ever re-call a labour leader making or defending such decisions. Here is a link to the audio with the pay issue starting at 9mins 15 seconds approx.

RT.ie Radio 1: Morning Ireland Media Player
Labour have completely jumped the shark. The leadership and by tacit approval the membership and supporters now espouse policies that any left leaning party in the world wouldn't support under any situation.

Labour stand for nothing only power and the wages and pensions that power grants them. Another failed party whose main ideology turned out to be pocket lining.
 

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Gilmore is about as Labour as Maggie Thatcher!
Maggie had her own ideology like it or despise it. She wouldn't piss on Gilmore whose main ideology is lining his and his friends pockets with state money and little else.
 

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I thought this point raised on another site was particularly damning in this regard.
Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation general secretary Liam Doran said the move was an attempt to introduce cheap labour.
He said many new graduates who were already in employment were having their contracts cancelled, forcing them to reapply for lower-paid jobs.
 

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I thought this point raised on another site was particularly damning in this regard.
Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation general secretary Liam Doran said the move was an attempt to introduce cheap labour.
He said many new graduates who were already in employment were having their contracts cancelled, forcing them to reapply for lower-paid jobs.
What is wrong with cheaper Labour Liam?

Surely the State must ensure it can afford to hire sufficient staff for the Health Service Liam?

Will accept the new 80% paid staff in your union Liam?

Will you advise your members to Cooperate with them fully in the workplace Liam?
 

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The thoughts of Gilmore

"The working class can kiss my arse
I got the foreman's job at last"
 

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Eamon Ryans response sums it up nicely for me.

""If the Trade Unions were willing to put a stay on the payment of increments for a few short years we would be able to employ a whole raft of new teachers, nurses and guards on the same terms their colleagues already enjoy. We know that it would not be easy but the people loosing out would at least know that it was being done in the spirit of showing solidarity to the next generation. Unlike the Labour Party or the Trade Unions, we believe that their members might just accept such an approach."
 

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Eamon Ryans response sums it up nicely for me.

""If the Trade Unions were willing to put a stay on the payment of increments for a few short years we would be able to employ a whole raft of new teachers, nurses and guards on the same terms their colleagues already enjoy. We know that it would not be easy but the people loosing out would at least know that it was being done in the spirit of showing solidarity to the next generation. Unlike the Labour Party or the Trade Unions, we believe that their members might just accept such an approach."
The snag there is that those at the top of the scale get to keep all the gains (regardless of performance) while the lower paid who are increasing their experience, and qualifications are left stuck on the lower end of the pay scale.
 
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The sang there is that those at the top of the scale get to keep all the gains (regardless of performance) while the lower paid who are increasing their experience, and qualifications are left stuck on the lower end of the pay scale.
Facilitated by a Labour Party that is funded by public sector unions.
 

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The sang there is that those at the top of the scale get to keep all the gains (regardless of performance) while the lower paid who are increasing their experience, and qualifications are left stuck on the lower end of the pay scale.
Good point.
What about the option of cutting the pay of those who have received all their increments and leaving those who are entitled to increments at their current point on the scale.
 

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We cannot offord to train and educate graduate Nurses at €100,000 a pop and not recover the training cost from them, if they will jet off to work in other Countries!
Why not close down all nursing courses in that case and hire in the nurses from abroad where someone else pays for their education.
 

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We cannot offord to train and educate graduate Nurses at €100,000 a pop and not recover the training cost from them, if they will jet off to work in other Countries!
And they cannot afford to live here on a starting salary of 22k. It works both ways.
 
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