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galteeman

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Well I didn't necessarily mean on an individual level (I don't feel particularly crushed myself, TBF, and I'd say my husband would laugh at the idea!)

I meant in a more systemic way, so yes, that sort of negative media coverage would be part of it, but there's more to it, and it's often insidious.

For instance Women's Hour on Thursday had a piece about gender neutral parenting, which pointed out that in practice, gender neutral tends to mean male-oriented upbringing (it's worth listening to - there's also a review of a book set in Dublin during the 1918 Flu pandemic by Emma Donoghue, who wrote Room).

Anyway, back to Jacinda Ardern, Sidey's description of who hates her explains a lot - people who are never going to support a woman, doesn't matter what she does.

Oh and it's not in NZ where a woman leader has done better than average - it seems to be generally the case: How female leaders outperformed men during the pandemic
It would be odd if that was the case, I mean her gender being a problem. Of course it is for some people, unconscious bias or outright misogyny but doubt that is widespread. Arden is New Zealands third female PM, if not the fourth, plus the country has a female Governor General and head of state and ok these are ceremonial roles but the country was the first in the world to give women the vote.
 

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Michael Lowry, he could twist and turn and confuse the lot of them. Eventually they would be paying him a retainer, consultancy fee, pension etc.
Healy Rae, They would never understand a word , they would retreat
 

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It would be odd if that was the case, I mean her gender being a problem. Of course it is for some people, unconscious bias or outright misogyny but doubt that is widespread. Arden is New Zealands third female PM, if not the fourth, plus the country has a female Governor General and head of state and ok these are ceremonial roles but the country was the first in the world to give women the vote.
And yet studies show that the media and indeed those in charge of evaluating women in the work place use different language to describe male and female performances, with more negative and fewer positive ones being used about women, and particularly gendered criticisms being used about women - like strident where a man would be considered authoritative.


It's also the case that female leaders are the object of hatred from certan sections of society, just for being women, in a way that men aren't. Which was the point that SIdey made - it's not general. But it's enough to make the experience of being a female politician generally a lot more unpleasant than being the equivalent male politician.



 

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It's also the case that female leaders are the object of hatred from certan sections of society, just for being women, in a way that men aren't. Which was the point that SIdey made - it's not general. But it's enough to make the experience of being a female politician generally a lot more unpleasant than being the equivalent male politician.



You wouldn't want to mind any of that woke nonsense from the BBC and the Guardian.
The likes of Ardern and Merkel are disliked by those on the right, but its not because they are women.
The thing is, a lot of people don't like an effeminate leader.
Trudeau is seen as effeminate, even though he is a married man. He is also disliked.

I think it is fair to say that those on "the right" value certain characteristics in a leader, such as strength, focus, decisiveness, walking the walk, and general suitability for a guardian/protector role. Rightly or wrongly, these are seen as masculine characteristics.

The right have no time for pussy-footing around, virtue- signalling, talking the talk, which are often seen as more feminine. Caring for the weak is one strong feminine trait that is seen as desirable in a leader.

When Thatcher got her nickname "The Iron Lady" it was not an insult. So it shows than any woman can appeal to "the right" if they use the right approach.
IMO an attractive woman might even appeal more than a man, if she showed the right attitude. In that way, using her sex as an advantage.
 

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Has to be Trump, you can't pass the opportunity for the ultimate practical joke. Can ye imaging the threads on here :LOL:
HaHa,
Has to be ex USF leader Adams.
Leader for nearly 35 years in the 26.
Never took part in government formation talks in the 26!
Some legacy.
What a guy.
Was there ever a heave against him as leader of USF?
 


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