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Well I didn't necessarily mean on an individual level (I don't feel particularly crushed myself, TBF, and I'd say my husband would laugh at the idea!)

I meant in a more systemic way, so yes, that sort of negative media coverage would be part of it, but there's more to it, and it's often insidious.

For instance Women's Hour on Thursday had a piece about gender neutral parenting, which pointed out that in practice, gender neutral tends to mean male-oriented upbringing (it's worth listening to - there's also a review of a book set in Dublin during the 1918 Flu pandemic by Emma Donoghue, who wrote Room).

Anyway, back to Jacinda Ardern, Sidey's description of who hates her explains a lot - people who are never going to support a woman, doesn't matter what she does.

Oh and it's not in NZ where a woman leader has done better than average - it seems to be generally the case: How female leaders outperformed men during the pandemic
It would be odd if that was the case, I mean her gender being a problem. Of course it is for some people, unconscious bias or outright misogyny but doubt that is widespread. Arden is New Zealands third female PM, if not the fourth, plus the country has a female Governor General and head of state and ok these are ceremonial roles but the country was the first in the world to give women the vote.
 

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Michael Lowry, he could twist and turn and confuse the lot of them. Eventually they would be paying him a retainer, consultancy fee, pension etc.
Healy Rae, They would never understand a word , they would retreat
 

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It would be odd if that was the case, I mean her gender being a problem. Of course it is for some people, unconscious bias or outright misogyny but doubt that is widespread. Arden is New Zealands third female PM, if not the fourth, plus the country has a female Governor General and head of state and ok these are ceremonial roles but the country was the first in the world to give women the vote.
And yet studies show that the media and indeed those in charge of evaluating women in the work place use different language to describe male and female performances, with more negative and fewer positive ones being used about women, and particularly gendered criticisms being used about women - like strident where a man would be considered authoritative.


It's also the case that female leaders are the object of hatred from certan sections of society, just for being women, in a way that men aren't. Which was the point that SIdey made - it's not general. But it's enough to make the experience of being a female politician generally a lot more unpleasant than being the equivalent male politician.



 

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It's also the case that female leaders are the object of hatred from certan sections of society, just for being women, in a way that men aren't. Which was the point that SIdey made - it's not general. But it's enough to make the experience of being a female politician generally a lot more unpleasant than being the equivalent male politician.



You wouldn't want to mind any of that woke nonsense from the BBC and the Guardian.
The likes of Ardern and Merkel are disliked by those on the right, but its not because they are women.
The thing is, a lot of people don't like an effeminate leader.
Trudeau is seen as effeminate, even though he is a married man. He is also disliked.

I think it is fair to say that those on "the right" value certain characteristics in a leader, such as strength, focus, decisiveness, walking the walk, and general suitability for a guardian/protector role. Rightly or wrongly, these are seen as masculine characteristics.

The right have no time for pussy-footing around, virtue- signalling, talking the talk, which are often seen as more feminine. Caring for the weak is one strong feminine trait that is seen as desirable in a leader.

When Thatcher got her nickname "The Iron Lady" it was not an insult. So it shows than any woman can appeal to "the right" if they use the right approach.
IMO an attractive woman might even appeal more than a man, if she showed the right attitude. In that way, using her sex as an advantage.
 

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Has to be Trump, you can't pass the opportunity for the ultimate practical joke. Can ye imaging the threads on here :LOL:
HaHa,
Has to be ex USF leader Adams.
Leader for nearly 35 years in the 26.
Never took part in government formation talks in the 26!
Some legacy.
What a guy.
Was there ever a heave against him as leader of USF?
 

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And yet studies show that the media and indeed those in charge of evaluating women in the work place use different language to describe male and female performances, with more negative and fewer positive ones being used about women, and particularly gendered criticisms being used about women - like strident where a man would be considered authoritative.


It's also the case that female leaders are the object of hatred from certan sections of society, just for being women, in a way that men aren't. Which was the point that SIdey made - it's not general. But it's enough to make the experience of being a female politician generally a lot more unpleasant than being the equivalent male politician.



Feminists are really starting to run of things to whinge about. Its funny to see it dressed up some kind of intellectual construction.
 

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You do realise the hair-do is actually shaped from Kevlar in case her car breaks down in a working-class area?
 

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The ghost of Eamon De Valera is the obvious choice.
 

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You don't hear much about O'Cuiv these days now you mention it.
 

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However much of a risk it would be it would be quite tempting to send Martin Mansergh. Just to see if the aliens come back and tell us that our interpreter-bot isn't working very well as it is trying to speak in four languages simultaneously according to their scanners, and two of the languages are ancient.
 

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So the aliens have finally landed. Turned out to be quite a decent lot but have quite a few calls to make and don't want to miss out on a few days leave the other side of Proxima Centauri. There was a quick read-out of the Galactic News was that essentially we'd be allowed into the Milky Way Union and access all technological advances available to all members, cure for cancer, free energy, the lot.

One problem. They are in a bit of a hurry. So they want to talk to one recognised human leader. No interest in meeting committees or Chairs of committees. We have 24 hours to run as wide a plebiscite as we can across the world and come up with a single name.

I'd go for Jacinda Ardern from New Zealand. Why? Very good crisis leadership and management, down to earth style, very few pretensions visible. The epitome of a modern leader and someone who knows the real time problems young parents face around careers and so on. Came through the Christchurch crisis and the earthquake crisis and then came through very strongly as one of the world's few effective leaders in response to the crisis.

She is currently facing an election in two months time. The opposition is in disarray and Ardern's popularity and the polls suggest a possible landslide for her party (12 points ahead of the National Party as at 14th July). For a relatively young leader she has done tremendously well in a series of crises and seems a very steady and safe pair of hands in office for the Kiwis.

So my vote for leader who gets to represent us in the talks with the aliens would be Jacinda Ardern. Your choice would be, and why?
Waves...
 

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Yes, we're all aware that you've bought buckets and spades and have been promised a family outing to see the new border but there's such a thing as being over-excited.
 

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Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh...
 

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Yes. that's right. Waterslides later.
 

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