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ECHR strikes a blow for free speech


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So to set the scene: Back in 2008 French President Sarkozy gets in a war of words with a farmer in Paris. As one does. So Sarko tells him "Casse-toi, pauv'con" which (despite how the beeb politely sum it up) means "f*ck off you pr1ck".

So a few months later a chap writes the same thing on a sign, and holds it out when Sarko is coming past him. The same chap (Herve Eon) is then fined €30 for insulting the President, an archaic and rarely referenced law in France.

Eon gets the hump and appeals, and made it all the way to the Court of Human Rights. Where he wins.

The court stated that had the fine stood it would be
"likely to have a chilling effect on satirical contributions to discussion of matters of public interest, such discussion being fundamental to a democratic society".
Good stuff from the courts, seems like a common sense ruling.

BBC News - European Court backs man against France over anti-Sarkozy insult
 

storybud1

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Grand, I'm off to the Aras in the morning with a big sign, form a queue.
 

stopdoingstuff

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Good job ECHR. This guy should take a case when he still has a chance.
Police remove David Cameron 'wanker' poster | UK news | The Guardian

A man who placed a poster of David Cameron containing the word "w%nker" in his window has described how police handcuffed him in his home on election day, threatened him with arrest, and forcibly removed what they said was offensive campaign literature.
The punchline:

Hoffman said he would lodge a formal complaint. He has since returned the poster to his window, but replaced the word "************************er" with "onanist", derived from a biblical character in Genesis 38:9 whose seed was "spilled on the ground"
 

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Would someone eating a hamburger in public cause Mrs Harney offence?
 

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So to set the scene: Back in 2008 French President Sarkozy gets in a war of words with a farmer in Paris. As one does. So Sarko tells him "Casse-toi, pauv'con" which (despite how the beeb politely sum it up) means "f*ck off you pr1ck".

So a few months later a chap writes the same thing on a sign, and holds it out when Sarko is coming past him. The same chap (Herve Eon) is then fined €30 for insulting the President, an archaic and rarely referenced law in France.

Eon gets the hump and appeals, and made it all the way to the Court of Human Rights. Where he wins.

The court stated that had the fine stood it would be


Good stuff from the courts, seems like a common sense ruling.

BBC News - European Court backs man against France over anti-Sarkozy insult
Sarky may have deserved it as he spoke first, but I can't for the life of me see how lowering the public tone is a good days work.

Piece by little piece, we're killing ourselves.
 

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Would someone eating a hamburger in public cause Mrs Harney offence?
They'd be putting their lives in their own hands eating near her. My mind casts back to those stories where people lose their arms after reaching into tiger cages. Like sure, the tiger shouldn't attack you, but why are you putting your arm in there?
 

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Sarky may have deserved it as he spoke first, but I can't for the life of me see how lowering the public tone is a good days work.

Piece by little piece, we're killing ourselves.
I can disagree with both of them saying it, but the idea that you can be fined for telling a politician to f&^k off is ridiculous to me.
 

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Aside from the old French law, this decision must have some precedent value to the rest of us?
 

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I can disagree with both of them saying it, but the idea that you can be fined for telling a politician to f&^k off is ridiculous to me.
Fine them both by all means, but it shouldn't be acceptable no matter who it is said to.
 

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Sarky may have deserved it as he spoke first, but I can't for the life of me see how lowering the public tone is a good days work.

Piece by little piece, we're killing ourselves.
Even if it does lower the tone, and that's a minor downside, the much greater upside is that people can freely express how they feel.

A good days work indeed.
 

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Even if it does lower the tone, and that's a minor downside, the much greater upside is that people can freely express how they feel.

A good days work indeed.
Loads of freedoms, no responsibilities and no respect for anything, not even for ourselves as human beings, that's where we're heading, chip by little chip.
 

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Sarky may have deserved it as he spoke first, but I can't for the life of me see how lowering the public tone is a good days work.

Piece by little piece, we're killing ourselves.
Lowering the public tone if it was good enough for Chaucer and Shakespeare its good enough for me.
 

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Loads of freedoms, no responsibilities and no respect for anything, not even for ourselves as human beings, that's where we're heading, chip by little chip.
One of the most disrespectful things you can do is to curtail a person's right to express themselves.
 

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Fine them both by all means, but it shouldn't be acceptable no matter who it is said to.
Why not, it prudish Victoria morals, I rember reading a pome in irish (well had it translated) the argument of Brian and art, it was a attrack on the church written in the 16th C, it was one guy saying the church was good the other it was bad, a great line I rember was "The horny bulls in Rome" how much has stayed the same.

I alway worry about people who don't like bold words.
 

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One of the most disrespectful things you can do is to curtail a person's right to express themselves.
Nonsense, there has to be a line beyond which no one has the right to go, but we keep moving that line, mostly because we're afraid to be seen not to.
 

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Loads of freedoms, no responsibilities and no respect for anything, not even for ourselves as human beings, that's where we're heading, chip by little chip.
Ya the Victorians had a great idea all nice words but let little children die cleaning chimneys. We live in a great time when I have the freedom to ************************ and blind. Well except for the bloody auto censor.
 

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Why not, it prudish Victoria morals, I rember reading a pome in irishescorts (well had it translated) the argument of Brian and art, it was a attrack on the church written in the 16th C, it was one guy saying the church was good the other it was bad, a great line I rember was "The horny bulls in Rome" how much has stayed the same.

I alway worry about people who don't like bold words.
I don't give a f**k about bold words, I do give a f**k about a persons supposed right to go up to anyone's face and call them a pr1ck, if they so fancy.
 

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Loads of freedoms, no responsibilities and no respect for anything, not even for ourselves as human beings, that's where we're heading, chip by little chip.
I think there is only a very small minority who don't get the concept of responsibility. A small change in political thinking would sort that out fairly sharpish.
 
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