Economically left France vs economically liberal Germany - the battle for the heart of Europe

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In France bouth the Guallists/Republicans and the Socialist Party tend to be quite economically left wing

Germany on the other hand leans free market

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The mixed messages—the sense of urgency conveyed by most EU leaders and Ms. Merkel’s repeated appeals for calm—suggest that members of the bloc, driven by different interests, might struggle to find a united approach to the challenge posed by British voters’ decision to leave the EU at Thursday’s referendum.
The French establishment are terrified of Emanuel Macron, and will stoop to protectionism etc to see him off

Juncker the drunk and his lush layabouts will viciously oppose EU reform as they'd lose out

They will claim that haste is needed to avoid NEXIT

MAPPED: Czexit, Pexit, Frexit - EU referendum CONTAGION sweeps Europe amid political quake | Politics | News | Daily Express

But the haste is to avoid reform

Interestingly, Cameron holds the cards, and is entitled to wait until Autumn...French Presidential election is c April/May next year

How will Franco-German relations fare until Autumn?

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In what way is Emmanuel Macron not part of the French establishment? :roll:
Macron may have an Establishment background, but he is very much an agent of reform, and thus feared and loathed by the French Establishment

France's Macron wants EU-wide referendum, far-left slams Hollande nervousness | Reuters
France's economy minister said on Saturday that the European Union needs a new road map that should be devised in consultation with voters and then put to a referendum, as Paris sought for ways to handle the fallout at home from the Brexit vote.
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"We've never had the courage to organise a true European referendum in its real sense. This next project must give it that strength," Emmanuel Macron told a conference.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/07/frances-emmanuel-macron-launches-political-movement
The iconoclastic French economy minister Emmanuel Macron is poised to shake up the political landscape...
...Macron, 38, a charismatic and straight talking former investment banker, has had a meteoric rise to become one of France’s most popular political figures despite being unknown two years ago, belonging to no political party and never having run for elected office.

Since François Hollande catapulted him from presidential adviser to economy minister in 2014, Macron has sent a rocket through traditional French politics.

While serving in a Socialist government, he has systematically attacked the taboo subjects of the left
Francois Hollande slaps down protégé Emmanuel Macron over presidential ambitions | Europe | News | The Independent
Questioned about speculation that Mr Macron might run for the French presidency next year, Mr Hollande, said: “He knows what he owes me. It is a question of personal and political loyalty.”
Macron has sent subtle cultural signals that he is not willing to play the old game...and if nothing else, the vehemence and underhandedness of the attacks against him, ought to give comfort

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Macron may have an Establishment background, but he is very much an agent of reform, and thus feared and loathed by the French Establishment

France's Macron wants EU-wide referendum, far-left slams Hollande nervousness | Reuters


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/07/frances-emmanuel-macron-launches-political-movement

Francois Hollande slaps down protégé Emmanuel Macron over presidential ambitions | Europe | News | The Independent

Macron has sent subtle cultural signals that he is not willing to play the old game...and if nothing else, the vehemence and underhandedness of the attacks against him, ought to give comfort

cYp
He's a graduate of l'ENA, ffs. He is the establishment. The unions don't like him and Hollande almost certainly fears a putsch from him or any of a number of other "jeunes loups", but your presentation of him as some sort of outsider is laughable.
 

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He's a graduate of l'ENA, ffs. He is the establishment. The unions don't like him and Hollande almost certainly fears a putsch from him or any of a number of other "jeunes loups", but your presentation of him as some sort of outsider is laughable.
Your analysis doesn't actually cover any of his policy positions

Also perhaps you are not that familiar with French culture, but speaking out of turn, or going against your patron, are simply not done in the upper circles

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Your analysis doesn't actually cover any of his policy positions
Ok. He's a right wing politician in a (nominally) left wing party.
Other than than, he's bog standard élite. So to speak.

Also perhaps you are not that familiar with French culture, but speaking out of turn, or going against your patron, are simply not done in the upper circles

cyp
:lol:

The Irish political and administrative class OTOH are well known for their readiness to stake their entire career in speaking as they find eh?
 

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To my mind, the France v Germany is the biggest show after the Brexit result

Cameron has enabled the show to last until September

Depending on how things transpire ...the UK may not want to Brexit at that stage

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Did you fail your French inter or something? :lol:
What did you have to say about Westminster MPs getting their moats and houses for their duck ponds maintained at taxpayers' expense? Similarly outraged or "Meh"?
 

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I like Ayrault, he's got real vision. Doesn't always serve him well, but he's not just another career politician. Was it this thread or the other one where somebody was spoofing about Parisian centralization?

Either way, Ayrault has transformed Nantes from a cultural backwater to a thriving metropolis. His place in national politics is very much based on what he did at ground level for Nantes.

As for the reaction to Boris - well the US presidential spokesman apparently laughed out loud when he was told by a journalist.
 

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Macron may have an Establishment background, but he is very much an agent of reform, and thus feared and loathed by the French Establishment
Yeah according to the establishment he is 'an agent of reform feared by the establishment'.... :cool:

You could smell the Blair off him from the other side of the sun.
 

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As long as France keep up the false game of "socialists" with a €10k per month hairdresser budget...they will be a target

Hollande and the other people, e.g. Juncker, in his circle , are willing to sacrifice anyone in order to keep the champagne flowing

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In France bouth the Guallists/Republicans and the Socialist Party tend to be quite economically left wing

Germany on the other hand leans free market

EU Ministers Push for U.K. to Leave


The French establishment are terrified of Emanuel Macron, and will stoop to protectionism etc to see him off

Juncker the drunk and his lush layabouts will viciously oppose EU reform as they'd lose out

They will claim that haste is needed to avoid NEXIT

MAPPED: Czexit, Pexit, Frexit - EU referendum CONTAGION sweeps Europe amid political quake | Politics | News | Daily Express

But the haste is to avoid reform

Interestingly, Cameron holds the cards, and is entitled to wait until Autumn...French Presidential election is c April/May next year

How will Franco-German relations fare until Autumn?

cyp
France's weakness helps conceal Germany's strength.
 


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