Ecumenical matters - RCC and Coptic Churches recognise shared baptism

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In an historical development in Cairo, Pope Francis and Coptic Pope Tawadros II have agreed to recognise the valifity of both churches' sacrament of baptism, prepare a common translation of the Lord's Prayer and agree a common date for Easter. With the Patriarch of Constantinople also in attendance, are we approaching greater Christian unity?

Pope in Egypt: Catholics and Copts recognise shared baptism - Vatican Radio
 


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In an historical development in Cairo, Pope Francis and Coptic Pope Tawadros II have agreed to recognise the valifity of both churches' sacrament of baptism, prepare a common translation of the Lord's Prayer and agree a common date for Easter. With the Patriarch of Constantinople also in attendance, are we approaching greater Christian unity?

Pope in Egypt: Catholics and Copts recognise shared baptism - Vatican Radio
In my understanding of the Christian faith, when you are baptised, you become a christian, regardless of what path of Christianity you follow, or when you are baptised. Catholicism and Coptism are both branches of the same faith, so historically if you were already baptised into Christianity, regardless of the branch, the fact that you were baptised makes you a christian, so there is no need for two branches of the same religion to suddenly start recognising the others baptisms. All Christians are accepted as Christians upon their baptism regardless of the branch of Christianity they choose to follow. If either the catholic church or the Coptic church do not recognise all Christians baptised into the christian faith, then they are not truly Christian.
 

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A common date for Easter would be a major step forward.
Baptism has always been recognised and, afaik, communion can be shared.
 

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Surely the targetting of the Egyptian minority christians by radical muslims recently has some part to play in the new mindset.

Is this sending a message ? mess with those churches in Cairo and we will bring back the Crusades ?

territorial p1ssing. Dogs do it. Drug dealers do it. Even Popes do it.


And did the Pope open up a few maternity hospitals while he was there ? To be managed by reformed prisoners perchance ?
 
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In equally as irrelevant news my golf club have done a deal with another one to allow us to play there.
 

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In equally as irrelevant news my golf club have done a deal with another one to allow us to play there.
my local bin collecting lorries will henceforth lift 2 different type of wheelie bins on the weekly collection. Big news indeed.
 

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my local bin collecting lorries will henceforth lift 2 different type of wheelie bins on the weekly collection. Big news indeed.
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In an historical development in Cairo, Pope Francis and Coptic Pope Tawadros II have agreed to recognise the valifity of both churches' sacrament of baptism, prepare a common translation of the Lord's Prayer and agree a common date for Easter. With the Patriarch of Constantinople also in attendance, are we approaching greater Christian unity?

Pope in Egypt: Catholics and Copts recognise shared baptism - Vatican Radio
And Vatican Radio have described Pope Tawadros as a pope, which of course he is.

He is the Coptic Pope of Alexandria - Pope Tawadros II of Alexandria - though not to be confused with the Greek Orthodox Pope of Alexandria.

"(Vatican Radio) In a common declaration, signed by Pope Francis and Coptic Pope Tawadros II ... "

Pope in Egypt: Catholics and Copts recognise shared baptism - Vatican Radio
Pope Frankie is the Pope of Rome, and should be styled as such.

He is not to be confused with any of the hoards of Popes across the Middle East, nor with any other Pope in Rome.
 

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When all this coupling is completed, will we have 3 Divine Popes in the one Body?
 

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They usually have two Priests in a parish one who is responsible for strictly upholding the law and one to take a more compassionate view of people's situations. They call it the old good copt bad copt routine.
 
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In particularly tedious meetings in Canada, I sometimes throw in a remark about ecumenical matters in honour of Father Jack which people are usually too tired or polite to query.
 

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Good News

It shows that the Christians of Egypt are not alone

An attack on them is an attack on all followers of Our Lord Jesus Christ
 

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A common date for Easter would be a major step forward.
Baptism has always been recognised and, afaik, communion can be shared.
Not by a lot of Copts is hasn't. Very Conservative Copts only consider the Baptism of their fellow Non-Chalcedonian Orthodox as valid, Conservative ones consider the Baptism of the Chalcedonian/Byzantine Orthodox as valid or at least possibly so but would reject Catholic Baptisms validity, than you have Liberals who would accept Catholic Baptism but deny that of Protestants even Lutherans or Anglicans. It is a thorny question for them as it is for a lot of Eastern Christians. The last Coptic Pope was a brilliant man who was able to keep the various strands of his Church together but the present one is intensely disliked by the Conservative part of his Church. Relations between the Coptic Church and Catholic Church have been very thorny of late since the last Coptic Pope justly rebuked the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI for making a comment that was obviously factually incorrect- that it wasnt Jews who were primarily responsible for the murder of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Pope Benedict XVI sailed very close to the wind is his comments on and interaction with Rabbinic Judaism but "Pope" Francis has crossed the line. The fall out of this could be very messy indeed.
 

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In equally as irrelevant news my golf club have done a deal with another one to allow us to play there.
But relevant enough for you to post on the thread.
 

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In an historical development in Cairo, Pope Francis and Coptic Pope Tawadros II have agreed to recognise the valifity of both churches' sacrament of baptism, prepare a common translation of the Lord's Prayer and agree a common date for Easter. With the Patriarch of Constantinople also in attendance, are we approaching greater Christian unity?

Pope in Egypt: Catholics and Copts recognise shared baptism - Vatican Radio
The news on Easter is the bigger news, it might even cause the secular laws designating holidays to be changed, but so far it is just an aspiration, not anything definite.

And recognizing baptism is a rather small step, the various Christian churches tend to recognize each others baptism even if they don't like each other. The RCC has recognized Protestant baptism for a long time, even while supporting the persecution of Protestants.
 


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