éirígí Slams Spin, Lies & Censorship



johnfás

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Louise Minihan engaged in the age old tactic of non violent direct action.

The cuts Harney and her FF cronies havve implemented and are planning for our health system- now thats an assault!
As Young Liberal said above, whether you agree with her or not, what she did was illegal. Therefore your contention that Éirigi have not engaged in any action which is illegal has been blown out of the water. Let us look at the definition of assault:

2.—(1) A person shall be guilty of the offence of assault who, without lawful excuse, intentionally or recklessly—

(a) directly or indirectly applies force to or causes an impact on the body of another, or

(b) causes another to believe on reasonable grounds that he or she is likely immediately to be subjected to any such force or impact,

without the consent of the other.

(2) In subsection (1) (a), “force” includes

(a) application of heat, light, electric current, noise or any other form of energy, and

(b) application of matter in solid liquid or gaseous form.
 

maxthedog

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Anglo and it's bondholders are occupying us. Blair is regarded by many as a war criminal who will never face trial because of his nationality/influence. To be arrested for something does not in any way impugn your good character (but can of course be a sign of the nature of the state), innocent until proven guilty (but as we know where the media are concerned aspersions cast carry weight).

To be honest this reads to me more like a list of honours than demerits.
there in lies the problem . All the good work that Eirigi had done, with even ordinary people supporting the above,

They have ruined by two stupid protests. Harney and the Students.
 

SevenStars

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Don't think throwing something at somebody qualifies as non-violent tactic.
Its a pity live rounds were not involved.
 

The Salmon of Knowledge

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Don't think throwing something at somebody qualifies as non-violent tactic.
Louise Minihan outlined the action on liveline on monday, and was quite clear that nothing was thrown at Harney.

She POURED the paint over harney to smybolise the blood on the 26 couny governments hands.

Non violent and very reserved under the circimstances.
 

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Capitalism approaches its final crisis and the choice that faces us is either socialism or barbarism.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gA2K03uRF0]YouTube - IT IS RIGHT TO REBEL![/ame]
 

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As far as I am aware, Fee and SSN organised a 'left bloc' on the march and did not hijack anything.
They specifically state that they broke away and that they did not agree with the basic tactics of the march.
Turning up at a march organised by someone else and then acting in a way contrary to the wishes of the organisers is a good description of hijacking a march.
Did the Eirigi group form part of this breakaway?
 

johnfás

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Louise Minihan outlined the action on liveline on monday, and was quite clear that nothing was thrown at Harney.

She POURED the paint over harney to smybolise the blood on the 26 couny governments hands.

Non violent and very reserved under the circimstances.
She intentionally applied force to another, without their consent or lawful excuse, through the application of a liquid to that person. That is a crime - quite clearly.
 

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???

Thin ice .....
Uh....Its the only language that you and your fellow jailors in this island dungeon understand.
 

The Salmon of Knowledge

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As Young Liberal said above, whether you agree with her or not, what she did was illegal. Therefore your contention that Éirigi have not engaged in any action which is illegal has been blown out of the water. Let us look at the definition of assault:

2.—(1) A person shall be guilty of the offence of assault who, without lawful excuse, intentionally or recklessly—

(a) directly or indirectly applies force to or causes an impact on the body of another, or

(b) causes another to believe on reasonable grounds that he or she is likely immediately to be subjected to any such force or impact,

without the consent of the other.

(2) In subsection (1) (a), “force” includes

(a) application of heat, light, electric current, noise or any other form of energy, and

(b) application of matter in solid liquid or gaseous form.
I am sure it could be argued quite successfully that there are countless so called lawful excuses for the action against Harmey on Monday.
 

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there in lies the problem . All the good work that Eirigi had done, with even ordinary people supporting the above,

They have ruined by two stupid protests. Harney and the Students.
What is the purpose of a protest when it agrees to be binded by certain rules (don't behave in a way that offends the corporate media)?

I was thinking more of Eirigi saving the face of the Irish people with all their actions (and possibly performing a vital public function too). What if nobody ever did anything serious no matter what the Government did? It's an invitation for them to do more, i think.

The media function as a corporate adjunct to those in power and these policies that draw people's protests are invariably to their liking... When the owner of the media empire wants to protest he has a quiet word in a politician's ear and because of his power he gets what he wants, invariably.
 

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They specifically state that they broke away and that they did not agree with the basic tactics of the march.
Turning up at a march organised by someone else and then acting in a way contrary to the wishes of the organisers is a good description of hijacking a march.
Did the Eirigi group form part of this breakaway?
There was no breakaway, perhaps the statement is badlly worded by young entusiastic students.

éirígí hijacked nothing.
 

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I was thinking more of Eirigi saving the face of the Irish people with all their actions (and possibly performing a vital public function too). What if nobody ever did anything serious no matter what the Government did? It's an invitation for them to do more, i think.
Not wishing to interfere with your zeal for all things eirigi, but amongst some of the more sensible things they have to say is the following
“The only society worth building is one that will treat all citizens equally, regardless of their skin colour, background or religion. In the meantime, éirígí will continue to oppose racism and sectarianism wherever and whenever they raise their ugly head.”
 

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There was no breakaway, perhaps the statement is badlly worded by young entusiastic students.

éirígí hijacked nothing.
Oh dear.
Badly worded by enthusiastic students?
Their statement is clear. The claim that a group which may or may not have included eirigi, having joined the march, had decided that the methods adopted by the organisers were not adequate to the task at hand, and so they proceded with their own strategy.
By their own account this group represented a small percentage of the overall group, and it was the activities of this group and their interaction with the police that got all the media attention.
Again - were Eirigi part of this group?
 

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Not wishing to interfere with your zeal for all things eirigi, but amongst some of the more sensible things they have to say is the following
“The only society worth building is one that will treat all citizens equally, regardless of their skin colour, background or religion. In the meantime, éirígí will continue to oppose racism and sectarianism wherever and whenever they raise their ugly head.”
I think you are confusing 'admire' in this instance with 'full on devoted, card carrying member who adheres to all the tenets of their organisation fanatically'.

:)

Besides i agree with their statement advocating equal treatment for all Irish citizens of course, irrespective of race, religion etc... So i don't know what you are driving at exactly?
 

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I think you are confusing 'admire' in this instance with 'full on devoted, card carrying member who adheres to all the tenets of their organisation fanatically'.

:)

Besides i agree with their statement advocating equal treatment for all Irish citizens of course, irrespective of race, religion etc... So i don't know what you are driving at exactly?
it was the racism bit actually.
 


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