'Election 18' - RTE1


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The IPP were dead in the water - they were in rapid decline and never recovered - but that is not the same as claiming that SF had the support of the 'whole country'.
I never said they weren't. Please read my post.
 

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This is nonsense - there is zero evidence that these constituencies were unopposed because 'support was so high for SF' - there is evidence that other candidates didn't run because they were pressured/intimidated by SF.
Prove it - all 25 uncontested seats that Sinn Fein won.

Good luck with that.

In the meantime - British government propaganda formulated in Dublin Castle and circulated through a censored press alleged that republican militants had threatened potential candidates to discourage non-Sinn Féiners from running.
 

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SF in general did very badly in Ulster in the 1918 election. Nationalist voters may well have been anticipating how they might suffer if separatism were to be the dominant political creed.
This area was the only one where the IPP had had serious opposition -- the unionists, obviously -- and hence had a well-oiled machine.
 

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This area was the only one where the IPP had had serious opposition -- the unionists, obviously -- and hence had a well-oiled machine.
I don't think it was that simple. Nationalists in what's now Northern Ireland were more on the front line of sectarianism, and as such feared (correctly as it turned out), the likely effect on their lives of partition and political violence if SF followed through on what they were saying.
 

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I don't think it was that simple. Nationalists in what's now Northern Ireland were more on the front line of sectarianism, and as such feared (correctly as it turned out), the likely effect on their lives of partition and political violence if SF followed through on what they were saying.
There was an unofficial pact between SF and the IPP in a lot of northern constituencies (including Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan) where they stepped aside for one another, depending on who was best placed to defeat the local Unionist.

Are you actually trying to blame SF for Orange violent supremacism and the nature of the Orange statelet? Yard, get up, etc.
 

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Are people really arguing that the IPP party was not dead in the water as soon as the results came out
It's p.ie, plenty of nutters here who are perfectly happy to argue black is purple and down is hippopotamus as long as they perceive themselves as sticking it to whatever their favourite obsessive hobby-horse is :roflmao:
 

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Are people really arguing that the IPP party was not dead in the water as soon as the results came out
It didnt help that John Dillon was insulting SF voters as poorly educated, as if somehow this was the pre-1918 electorate with the property qualifications that prevented the working class from voting. Under the Representation of the People Act 1918 all men over 21 had the vote and all women over 30.
 

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It's p.ie, plenty of nutters here who are perfectly happy to argue black is purple and down is hippopotamus as long as they perceive themselves as sticking it to whatever their favourite obsessive hobby-horse is :roflmao:
A good way of putting it.. Some of them are as mad as those running the country
 

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None of which disproves my point.
I don't accept that the Provos actually targetted civilians but there was an acceptance in the later years that civilians could be unintended victims of their actions. There were also fnck ups resulting in warnings not getting through or being blocked which resulted in civilian deaths.
On the other side, the British army did target civilians starting with Bloody Sunday which kicked off the whole thing - and was followed by many other outrages such as the Dublin Monaghan bombings, Loughlinisland, etc.
The Orange State targetted the entire nationalist community economically, politically and militarily - which made retaliation in-kind inevitable.
 

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Video of Paul Murphy talking about the 1918 Election in the Dail this week

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Bloody Friday

Kingsmill massacre
If you had read all of my post rather than stopping halfway through the first sentence you would have seen that I said there were many civilian deaths at the hands of the IRA but it wasnt their core stratetgy to terrorise and intimidate the Catholic civilian population - unlike the British Army / RUC / B-Specials / UVF / etc..
And fyi the Kingsmill massacre was not carried out by the Provos and Bloody Friday bomb warnings were not acted on by the security services some say intentionally
 

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If you had read all of my post rather than stopping halfway through the first sentence you would have seen that I said there were many civilian deaths at the hands of the IRA but it wasnt their core stratetgy to terrorise and intimidate the Catholic civilian population - unlike the British Army / RUC / B-Specials / UVF / etc..
Did the IRA intentionally target civilians - no - not on a continuous basis - but the IRA did engage in sectarian attacks and did target civilians.

From the perspective of British Imperialism and the loyalist paramilitaries, unlike the IRA who had the advantage of uniforms to target, they had no IRA uniforms to target - it made the entire Catholic population targets - one of the downsides of a campaign of individual terrorism is that the people you claim to be trying to protect become targets for retaliation.

And fyi the Kingsmill massacre was not carried out by the Provos
Pull the other one :rolleyes2:

and Bloody Friday bomb warnings were not acted on by the security services some say intentionally
If you plant 24 bombs in Belfast city centre - all timed to explode at roughly the same time - you better expect there to be civilian casualties. If you don't you are being incredibly naive - and one thing the IRA could ever be accused of was naivety.
 
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Did the IRA intentionally target civilians - no
Exactly
From the perspective of British Imperialism - it made the entire Catholic population targets

Coukdn't agree more


If you plant 24 bombs in Belfast city centre - all timed to explode at roughly the same time - you better expect there to be civilian casualties. If you don't you are being incredibly naive - and one thing the IRA could ever be accused of was naivety.
But if a known terrorist group issues warnings then ignore them at your peril. A proper police service would never ignore a bomb warning.
 

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There was an unofficial pact between SF and the IPP in a lot of northern constituencies (including Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan) where they stepped aside for one another, depending on who was best placed to defeat the local Unionist.

Are you actually trying to blame SF for Orange violent supremacism and the nature of the Orange statelet? Yard, get up, etc.
No, I'm not. Do please try reading my post.
 
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