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End Cradle to Grave benefits for Losers?


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End Cradle to Grave benefits for Losers?

How can the Irish Taxpayer continue to support a growing number of able mind and bodied people who only take and never give?

the finances are becoming unworkable (no pun intended)

what say you?
 


Ah Well

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End Cradle to Grave benefits for Losers?

How can the Irish Taxpayer continue to support a growing number of able mind and bodied people who only take and never give?

the finances are becoming unworkable (no pun intended)

what say you?
The ironic thing is it's now becoming simple math;

Income being less than expenditure = very bad prob

It's doubly ironic that only for now being in the situation that we are in "the Irish Taxpayer continue to support a growing number of able mind and bodied people who only take and never give?" would have continued forever .... now it cannot
 

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Why just for losers, why not everyone?

It's pretty much an economic law that when productive activity is punished, and unproductive activity is rewarded, more people will choose to join the ranks of non-producers.
listen, if a retard is abandoned at birth I will gladly pay taxes so that they are looked after

thats why I qualified it by saying losers....

losers = lazy, never worked, theives, drug dealers, junkies
 

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the morality of it a side. what practicle benifits exist for the state by maintaining the welfare state. bismark kicked of the trend as a way of undermining the left. the common idea at the time that if the working class in there totality recognised there combined strength then they could change the situation where they are continuesly subjected to poverty ushering in a new era of socialism etc etc etc. we are living in the most educated irish generation ever, push, them, go on. take there safety net away. it's game on then.
 

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Would it be workable if they introduced food stamps for long time welfare cheats that were only redeemable in grocery shops, and non transferable? So they couldn't be used for booze and fags? I wouldn't be in favor of abolishing their dole altogether, just make it so unpleasant for them that they would see real employment as the only real alternative. Same with asylum seekers, cut out the cash into hand.
 

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I think its a fair comment, that the majority of working people see long term welfare recipients, as spoungers. That our welfare is too generous, and been badly abused also. We need some common sense... like.....
1/ if your medically unfit, claim away

(Most Spongers will feign back injuries)


2/ if you lose your job, you get six months in cash claims, followed by a limited time of food vouchers non transferable

(If you can't find work after your "limited time" do you let them starve ?

3/ school leavers, limited time food vouchers

(Naked School Leavers !!!!)

4/ single mothers, food vouchers and clothing

(Tesco's will be delighted !!)

5/ immigrants food vouchers

(Naked Immigrants)

Generally we need to take a far tougher stance!
Have you ever had to survive on the Dole ? How would they pay for Electricity and Gas, or is that unimportant ?
 

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End Cradle to Grave benefits for Losers?

How can the Irish Taxpayer continue to support a growing number of able mind and bodied people who only take and never give?

the finances are becoming unworkable (no pun intended)

what say you?
When work was available unemployment withered away to a tiny percentage.

Why do you think that the numbers signing on have increased recently?
 

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I would like to see a Commission on Social Welfare set up to examine whether the system we have works for beneficiaries, taxpayers or just social welfare staff. Serious consideration should be given to a basic income and not providing any able bodied person with any social welfare below the age of 30.
 

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When work was available unemployment withered away to a tiny percentage.

Why do you think that the numbers signing on have increased recently?
Hey Cactus - is there any statistics easily available on this? I think with the last 15 years of immigration to Ireland, and record productivity in the country, your comment above might well be true.

Wonder if the Govt ever analyse the current Dole recipients in terms of length of time claiming and so on. I was in the Dole cycle myself for maybe a year back in the early 90's (more of a reflection on my drop out efforts at coolness, than the job market) - and when I decided to get off my hole I literally had a pick of about a half dozen jobs within a few days; with only a leaving cert to my name, living in a middling sized town in South Tipp .

No doubt times have changed, and the expectation of employers has raised (the piece of paper they expect you to have in the interview has no doubt gotten more prestigeous)... and the current economic situation has unemployment soaring... But for any able-bodied/minded gob********************e who has been claiming more than 3 or 4 years; there really is not much excuse.

Unfortunately the cycle in Ireland is different now I think , and probably much harder to break. Am I right to say that in the US anyone receiveing social welfare must demonstrate their most recent efforts at getting work? Did this ever kick-in in Ireland?

I live in a country now where the word from Government is very straightforward: "Don't work: don't eat".... Amazingly low unemployment rate here.
 

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I would like to see a Commission on Social Welfare set up to examine whether the system we have works for beneficiaries, taxpayers or just social welfare staff. Serious consideration should be given to a basic income and not providing any able bodied person with any social welfare below the age of 30.
So we would have about 100,000 people with no income by the end of the year.

Any thoughts about what might happen then?
 
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How can the Irish Taxpayer continue to support a growing number of able mind and bodied people who only take and never give?
Answer: We can't, so it's high time to get rid of those TD's, Senators, county councillors, corrupt businesspeople and their ilk and all of the other trough-snouting parasites who are living high on the hog while the needy are deprived of the social welfare and health services they so desperately need.
 

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End Cradle to Grave benefits for Losers?

How can the Irish Taxpayer continue to support a growing number of able mind and bodied people who only take and never give?

the finances are becoming unworkable (no pun intended)

what say you?

Yes its time we stopped forking out two billion euro a year to wealthy farmers. I couldnt agree more.
 

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Answer: We can't, so it's high time to get rid of those TD's, Senators, county councillors, corrupt businesspeople and their ilk and all of the other trough-snouting parasites who are living high on the hog while the needy are deprived of the social welfare and health services they so desperately need.
I am all for that reform too. Feel free to check my posts.

This is my first on the bankrupt system of welfare cradle to grave
 

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Yes its time we stopped forking out two billion euro a year to wealthy farmers. I couldnt agree more.
if you agree to remove their restricted production capacities I am sure they would not need these silly payments.

At least the Farmers actually produce food for us.

Farmers are responsible for 25% of our 'real' economy.

cradle to grave leeches take PAYE taxes and spend them with Thomas Cook and the Spanish economy....
 

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listen, if a retard is abandoned at birth I will gladly pay taxes so that they are looked after

thats why I qualified it by saying losers....

losers = lazy, never worked, theives, drug dealers, junkies

What a terrible use of language ie losers, retards. you should have edited the opening piece if you wanted to clarify what losers are.

Still , a shameful posting and when you read this in a few months you will see how bad it was. I would suggest you remove or delete all the offensive remarks.
 

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