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End unemployment; share the workload.


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For an ever increasing number of people the present system is failing them utterly. The prospect of ending up permanently on the jobless scrapheap looms ever larger with the relentless advance in technology, a situation exasperated at the present time by a global recession.

Fortunately, we’re blessed with an excellent welfare state system, but alas, due to the now inordinate number of claimants, it’s buckling under the strain. A good welfare system is both desirable and necessary, but only for a period of time to allow one to get back on one’s feet as it were. It’s not a permanent solution and continuous dependency is both demeaning to the claimant as well as burdensome to the taxpayer.

But with no end in sight to this downturn and no job prospects on the horizon, is there not a way out of the present impasse? Are we going to allow a situation where there are 500,000 permanently without hope, and merely consign them to a new underclass?

If we wish to avoid the dire aforementioned scenario, and instead foster and maintain a more equable society whereby everybody has a purpose and a sense of dignity would not sharing the actual workload be the way forward?

Inevitability it may impact on our standard of living as everybody will be on a shorter working week, but for the greater good of society I’m sure we can adjust.

On the upside however, it may allow us more leisure time to pursue other activities that may enhance the quality of life generally.
 
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Certainly is an interesting idea.The lack of government action on this massive problem is frightening.
 

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Oh dear God...
 
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Certainly is an interesting idea.The lack of government action on this massive problem is frightening.
I concur absolutely, the situation is so dire that some radical departure from the present failed policies is needed, the government is not facing up to the problem unfortunately.
 

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with no loss in pay - it would cost a damned sight less than the bank bailout.
Yes and with such a programme it will once and for all shut up those who spend there time attacking and bad mouthing those that are on the dole. ask them to share the jobs they have and there attitude will without doubt rapidly change. As soon as you ask a greed merchant to share anything, they soon disappear into the mist.
 

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about 10 per cent of people willing to work (i.e. ignoring the 100,000 bums) have lost their jobs so far. I'd happily work a four and a half day week for 90%pay.
 

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about 10 per cent of people willing to work (i.e. ignoring the 100,000 bums) have lost their jobs so far. I'd happily work a four and a half day week for 90%pay.
Not the point. You are now openly calling people bums. The best way to change that is to put in place a programme where jobs are shared. Are you up for it?
 

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Lord Deputy of Listowel said:
But with no end in sight to this downturn and no job prospects on the horizon, is there not a way out of the present impasse? Are we going to allow a situation where there are 500,000 permanently without hope, and merely consigned them to a new underclass?
Well, we (the Irish people) effectively turned our backs to a great extent during the Great Famine, when hundreds of thousands lived in squalid tenements, when generations of troublesome children were packed off to abuse camps and when heroin took root in already deprived communities.

If I was on the dole, I wouldn't be holding out for a flu-like outbreak of solidarity from the rest of society.

At times, it seems like the standard attitude to those on the dole is a mix of resentment at the amount received, utterly unreal ideas about what it buys and mistrust about fraud, all complimented by a general sense that people don't care about what gets cut, including the dole, once it doesn't affect them.

With that sort of low-Toryism in vogue, the only job sharing on the horizon is the one where full-time workers get their hours cut to keep them in their place. Oh, and the lump of labour fallacy is real. The state shouldn't pretend it knows best how to order employment in the private sector.
 

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Job sharing is gaining popularity with Irish companies. [ Source Perhaps the Government should promote it in some way as they seem very passive on this issue.
 
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about 10 per cent of people willing to work (i.e. ignoring the 100,000 bums) have lost their jobs so far. I'd happily work a four and a half day week for 90%pay.
This indicates that there's some support for the proposition. The bums however need to be dealt with, nobody is entitled to a life of leisure at the expense of the taxpayer.
 
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hopi watcher

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This indicates that there's some support for the proposition. The bums however need to be dealt with, nobody is entitled to a life of leisure at the expense of the taxpayer.
You must live a very frugal existance iof you think that living on the dole is a 'life of leisure'. What do you suggest, an extermination camp or two.
 

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What form would this sharing take, how would it relate to highly-specialised jobs (e.g. surgeons) and how would exploitation be prevented?
 

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OK, let's have your solution then.
2000 miles is correct. Suggesting the amount of work to be done is fixed is nonsense. They tried the solution you are proposing in Britain in the 70s and all it did was make everyone poorer.
 

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You must live a very frugal existance iof you think that living on the dole is a 'life of leisure'. What do you suggest, an extermination camp or two.
It is a life of leisure for some.
 
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People are baying for action. But the time for action passed a long time ago.

What we are now witnessing in falling property prices and rising unemployment is an economy in the process of healing itself.
We need some benign neglect now. The government needs the courage and intelligence to leave some things alone. The labour market is one of those things.
 
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You must live a very frugal existance iof you think that living on the dole is a 'life of leisure'. What do you suggest, an extermination camp or two.
'Life of leisure' yes, an unfortunate statement, but if you had experience trying to survive on UK Social Security payments as I did (around 1990) you'll realize how generous the Irish system is by comparison.
 

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