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Enda in Hot Water for Interfering with a Family Law Case?


greengoose2

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"The Taoiseach receives an extremely high volume of correspondence on all subjects from all parts of the country and his office forwards queries for t

Kenny asks Shatter to meddle in family case - National News - Independent.ie

Here we go again. Another exclusive from the sindo. The dogs on the street know that politicians get tons of requests for all sorts of stuff that they never get to read. For this they have secretaries and PAs who do the "yes Minister" stuff.

Now if people were discouraged to be applying to their local TDs in matters that do not realate to the political issue articles like this would never be born. As Shatter is alleged to have said:
I note she has instructed a solicitor who should be able to give comprehensive advice to her on the issues.
The day a politician dares to lose a vote by telling his constituents that he is not a local councillor, the passport office, a mediator in a planning application and certainly not a funeral director, we might get to seeing a bit of real commitment to the job of TD.
 


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Sean you shouldnt read that crap......it will mess with your mind:shock: anyway i would be more concerned about the continuing use of FF policy by Mr Kenny.
 
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How could he not know that he had no business interfering in such a matter?
 

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Staff members pass all sorts of correspondence around, that's hardly the Taoiseach's fault.

And to hear that FF are trying to make political capital of it, is just laughable considering their track record in making representations on behalf of rapists, murderers and other criminals.

We really need to see the back of this type of FF opportunistic shíte.
 

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I would think that the Taoiseach's office could reply to the constituent and say that it would
be inappropriate for him to inquire about the matter since it was a Family Law case.
Or if he did not know that it was inappropriate himself one would think that one of his highly paid advisors would have the cop-on to know.
 

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Kenny asks Shatter to meddle in family case - National News - Independent.ie

Here we go again. Another exclusive from the sindo. The dogs on the street know that politicians get tons of requests for all sorts of stuff that they never get to read. For this they have secretaries and PAs who do the "yes Minister" stuff.

Now if people were discouraged to be applying to their local TDs in matters that do not realate to the political issue articles like this would never be born. As Shatter is alleged to have said:


The day a politician dares to lose a vote by telling his constituents that he is not a local councillor, the passport office, a mediator in a planning application and certainly not a funeral director, we might get to seeing a bit of real commitment to the job of TD.
Yes, here we go again indeed! Another in an increasingly long line of silly P.ie threads promoting and publicizing the rag that is the Sindo.
 

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Sinn Féin used to be in the funeral directing business...
 
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Booby Molloy had to resigins for contacting a Judge in a case. Trevor Sargent had to resigin for contacting a Garda in relation to a case. Alan Shatter has probably saved Kenny from his own stupidity on this one as it looks like no inappropriate representations were made.

If Fianna Fail we're in power you would wonder if any Minister would have the integrity to stand up to a Taoiseach like that. It was the cause of a lot of their problems. That and electing crooks as Taoiseach in the first place.
 

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Thread already on this so the same sentiments that I posted there apply here too.

Kenny asks Shatter to meddle in family case - National News - Independent.ie

Here we go again. Another exclusive from the sindo. The dogs on the street know that politicians get tons of requests for all sorts of stuff that they never get to read. For this they have secretaries and PAs who do the "yes Minister" stuff.

Now if people were discouraged to be applying to their local TDs in matters that do not realate to the political issue articles like this would never be born. As Shatter is alleged to have said:


The day a politician dares to lose a vote by telling his constituents that he is not a local councillor, the passport office, a mediator in a planning application and certainly not a funeral director, we might get to seeing a bit of real commitment to the job of TD.
Yes, here we go again indeed! Another in an increasingly long line of silly P.ie threads promoting and publicizing the rag that is the Sindo.
 

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I'm actually shocked that Kenny did this. Family law matters are completely different to other legal disputes due to the in camera rule. Any outside interference is, as Bacik said, a contempt of court. For Kenny to even consider intervene shows he is either deeply cynical or deeply stupid, or probably both.
 

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Staff members pass all sorts of correspondence around, that's hardly the Taoiseach's fault.

And to hear that FF are trying to make political capital of it, is just laughable considering their track record in making representations on behalf of rapists, murderers and other criminals.

We really need to see the back of this type of FF opportunistic shíte.
Do you actually not understand the difference in making representations in a criminal sentence, and interfering in a family law dispute?

if you don't, you really shouldn't be contributing to this thread.
 

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TDs need to draw up a voluntary code for constituency letters
- saying "sorry I can't help you" is permissible
- the TD takes responsibility for every letter not a staffer
- just as you cannot write to the DPP, they should agree to not getting involved in civil cases, social welfare appeals, planning appeals, medical card applications
- do not breach data protection legislation to have a family denied their statutory rights
- do not write to judges or interfere with cases (except on criminal sentencing if they actually know the accused and limit it to character reference to be used in open court - as is the norm)
And
- do not name parties in a family law dispute
 
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Do you actually not understand the difference in making representations in a criminal sentence, and interfering in a family law dispute?

if you don't, you really shouldn't be contributing to this thread.
Do you know hit these things work?

Someone writes to the minister. The PA opens the correspondence and replies or refers the letter to the minister most likely to deal with same. The minister signs the reply if it goes directly from his office, along with the dozens of others sent out daily. Otherwise it will be the "appropriate" minister who will do so.

These generic requests arrive by the hundreds and are treated as such. The worst you can, in these cases, accuse the minister of is being offhanded.
 

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Fair play to Shatter. Mind you all he really did was follow the law & he's a solicitor.
 

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So I'm confused? He asked for an update on the case? Intervene is quoted at some point but not later reaffirmed and put in context.

It was stupid sure, questionable judgement on his part but it's stretch to expect a resignation from this. As someone already said, Shatter has saved his bacon on this one.
 

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Fair play to Shatter. Mind you all he really did was follow the law & he's a solicitor.
I can't understand how Enda could be so careless. Could he not of just verbally asked Mr. Shatter first before creating a paper trail that potentially could himself and his office some major problems
 

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So I'm confused? He asked for an update on the case? Intervene is quoted at some point but not later reaffirmed and put in context.

It was stupid sure, questionable judgement on his part but it's stretch to expect a resignation from this. As someone already said, Shatter has saved his bacon on this one.
Enda is a politician!
Of sorts.
 

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