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England v Ireland - will there be trouble?


borntorum

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This is a discussion on the politics surrounding the match rather than the football itself.


England play Republic of Ireland at Wembley this Wednesday in an international football friendly. It is the first time the two couñtries have met since the abandoned game in 1995. Obviously since then the political atmosphere between the two nations has improved dramatically, and in the meantime the English rugby side played in Croke Park with no difficulties. But a hard core of right wing extremists continues to support the England football team, and there is increasing concern about what will happen in Wembley. In particular, Roy Hodgson, the English coach, has asked his team's fans to stop singing "No Surrender to the IRA". We can also expect Amhran na bhFiann to be loudly booed, as happens to most away national anthems at English internationals.


I assumed when the fixture was announced that there would be no problems, but there definitely seems to be a growing fear that the atmosphere on Wednesday night could be unpleasant. Are people right to be concerned? Or does it not matter anyway?

Rioting, violence and shame

Why England fans should surrender their traditional chant | Mark Perryman | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
 

firefly123

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Morons will be morons. Best to let them disgrace their country whilst we stay out of it.
 

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Bread and circuses.

It is bad enough people that take the pursuit of a polystyrene too seriously. But when they decide that it is an occassion that merits completely losing the plot, then that is the height of idiocy.
 
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Im sure the mussies are occupying what little bandwith these clowns have and the London police would be far more organised then the gardai in Dublin in 95
 

RobertW

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This match is being closely monitored so that a match in Dublin may be held next year.

There'll be some along to cause trouble, for sure.

It's a different political climate now though. That last match was (unbelievably) nearly 20 years ago.
 

thegregster

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The Irish fans will behave. They are west Brits anyway. They are well used to going to England to see football matches. .

The English police will hopefully have stopped the hooligans getting tickets.
 

firefly123

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Im sure the mussies are occupying what little bandwith these clowns have and the London police would be far more organised then the gardai in Dublin in 95
There was a lad on newstalk the other day who was a cameraman on the west upper in lansdowne on the day. He was protected by decent English fans. He claimed there was a minimal Garda presence in the ground before the riots because the government didn't want to pay them a subsistence for food and carted them all off to a hall for tea and sambos. Only in Ireland.
 

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Well they only gave us one point in the Eurovision, I've seen riots started over less!
 

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An occassion for loads of Irish fans of the English Premiership to want to see their favourite players lose.

And the determination to see this is a matter of "pride".

You literally couldn't make it up !
 

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[video=youtube;hTIwEo-W_xU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTIwEo-W_xU[/video]

ah those were the days the Gaurds lacing into combat 18 filth:D and when the boat opened in Liverpool the brit police were there to batter them like dogs:)
 

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Much more important cultural event took place in London yesterday afternoon. London gaelic football team beat Sligo. Many of London players are recent immigrants from Ireland, and a lot of them are from Connacht so quite fitting really! How long before the mass migration of young Irish helps London to win the All Ireland for the first time since 1902?
 

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There was a lad on newstalk the other day who was a cameraman on the west upper in lansdowne on the day. He was protected by decent English fans. He claimed there was a minimal Garda presence in the ground before the riots because the government didn't want to pay them a subsistence for food and carted them all off to a hall for tea and sambos. Only in Ireland.
Another 'urban myth'.

Fact is that the Gardai didnt want to surround the turnstiles and pitch with riot police and create an atmosphere which could develop into a situation.

Riot police were on duty as planned and waiting for a call.

The fiasco that was Landsdowne Rd was due to the police being 'another target' and rather than their presence subduing rioters it prolongued the riot.

Simple solution in 95 would have been to clear the ground of everyone except the hooligans and they would have got bored after an hour or two.
 

firefly123

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Well they only gave us one point in the Eurovision, I've seen riots started over less!
But most Eurovision riots involve hair pulling and scraping with nails.
 

firefly123

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Another 'urban myth'.

Fact is that the Gardai didnt want to surround the turnstiles and pitch with riot police and create an atmosphere which could develop into a situation.

Riot police were on duty as planned and waiting for a call.

The fiasco that was Landsdowne Rd was due to the police being 'another target' and rather than their presence subduing rioters it prolongued the riot.

Simple solution in 95 would have been to clear the ground of everyone except the hooligans and they would have got bored after an hour or two.
I stand corrected so. I assumed that since he was there in the thick of it he would know. As for letting them off til they got bored. Feck that. Evacuate the decent fans and then release the hounds. And the bees. And the hounds that when they bark at you they shoot bees from their mouths!



And then batter the lard out of them.
 

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An occassion for loads of Irish fans of the English Premiership to want to see their favourite players lose.

And the determination to see this is a matter of "pride".

You literally couldn't make it up !
Ok you've made your point.
 

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Has someone who has supported the league of Ireland all my life,I alway's find it funny to hear the barstoolers slagging there beloved English players when they play Ireland or anyone else.Once Pat's beat UCD on Tuesday evening I will be happy.
 
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