Environmental fake excuse of bird sanctuary to block housing?

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Regarding Dublin City Council's objection to building apartments at St Anne's Park,I Googled some research on the the bird species supposedly considered at risk there. The Brent goose migrates to the Artic and the black-tailed Godwit to Iceland. Their long distance migrations suggest they are not at risk if a few acres of housing is built in St Anne's which is at some distance from Dublin bay. While the curlew is a dying species, the cause is loss of boglands, wetlands and intensity of grasslands management.
While this is an opinion based on Google search, not hard science, the council's objection to the apartments are suspect as continued political pandering to NIMBYS. Some years ago when the city manager suggested that unused areas of Dublin parks could be developed for housing, all councillors bar one objected.
Given the housing crisis and crazy Dublin rents, objectively NIMBY home owners and politicians who pander to them with planning red tape should be seen as selfish and antisocial.
 


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Regarding Dublin City Council's objection to building apartments at St Anne's Park,I Googled some research on the the bird species supposedly considered at risk there. The Brent goose migrates to the Artic and the black-tailed Godwit to Iceland. Their long distance migrations suggest they are not at risk if a few acres of housing is built in St Anne's which is at some distance from Dublin bay. While the curlew is a dying species, the cause is loss of boglands, wetlands and intensity of grasslands management.
While this is an opinion based on Google search, not hard science, the council's objection to the apartments are suspect as continued political pandering to NIMBYS. Some years ago when the city manager suggested that unused areas of Dublin parks could be developed for housing, all councillors bar one objected.
Given the housing crisis and crazy Dublin rents, objectively NIMBY home owners and politicians who pander to them with planning red tape should be seen as selfish and antisocial.
Are there any unused areas of parks? Maybe you mean any green areas?
St Annes Park is actually right across the road from Bull Island and the wetlands there, which is why it is so valuable to the geese.
Theres plenty of land around the country for building on. No need to dig up the parks.
 

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Are there any unused areas of parks? Maybe you mean any green areas?
St Annes Park is actually right across the road from Bull Island and the wetlands there, which is why it is so valuable to the geese.
Theres plenty of land around the country for building on. No need to dig up the parks.
Absolutely. I grew up in Clontarf and can confirm that the lower end of St.Annes is an extension of the sloblands between the road and Bull Island. If you drive or cycle along the seafront the birds fly over your head.
 

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Are there any unused areas of parks? Maybe you mean any green areas?
St Annes Park is actually right across the road from Bull Island and the wetlands there, which is why it is so valuable to the geese.
Theres plenty of land around the country for building on. No need to dig up the parks.
Housing is needed in Dublin inside the motorways. Dublin has far too much park space and golf courses at the expense of housing.
 

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Absolutely. I grew up in Clontarf and can confirm that the lower end of St.Annes is an extension of the sloblands between the road and Bull Island. If you drive or cycle along the seafront the birds fly over your head.
I assume housing at the upper end would not interfere with birds.
 

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I assume housing at the upper end would not interfere with birds.
i presume that you have not got a clue about which you contribute here
 

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Housing is needed in Dublin inside the motorways. Dublin has far too much park space and golf courses at the expense of housing.
Dublin city centre should have more high rise and higher densities. But removing parks and public amenities is not the answer. Look at New York's Central Park; some of the most valuable land in the world, but they would never allow it to be built on. With higher densities, public parks are needed more than ever.

At the same time we should be decentralising more, encouraging jobs and building houses outside Dublin. The city infrastructure is already creaking at the seams. Traffic jams everywhere and raw sewage overflowing into the sea at Poolbeg every time it rains.
 

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Regarding Dublin City Council's objection to building apartments at St Anne's Park,I Googled some research on the the bird species supposedly considered at risk there. The Brent goose migrates to the Artic and the black-tailed Godwit to Iceland. Their long distance migrations suggest they are not at risk if a few acres of housing is built in St Anne's which is at some distance from Dublin bay. While the curlew is a dying species, the cause is loss of boglands, wetlands and intensity of grasslands management.
While this is an opinion based on Google search, not hard science, the council's objection to the apartments are suspect as continued political pandering to NIMBYS. Some years ago when the city manager suggested that unused areas of Dublin parks could be developed for housing, all councillors bar one objected.
Given the housing crisis and crazy Dublin rents, objectively NIMBY home owners and politicians who pander to them with planning red tape should be seen as selfish and antisocial.
Last thing the Orish cartoon left on the council want is the homeless problem solved as it gives them something to bang on about
 

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Too much of our public parks and green spaces have already been fenced off for private use by GAA clubs etc. In St. Anne's there is a pitch and putt course, football fields, all-weather pitches, etc. all fenced off so people out for a nature walk are increasingly corralled into narrow alleyways along the perimeter of these privatised areas. The physical and mental health benefits of our public green and blue spaces, as well as the other ecosystem services that they provide, need to be valued to be protected for future generations.
 

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Dublin city centre should have more high rise and higher densities. But removing parks and public amenities is not the answer. Look at New York's Central Park; some of the most valuable land in the world, but they would never allow it to be built on. With higher densities, public parks are needed more than ever.

At the same time we should be decentralising more, encouraging jobs and building houses outside Dublin. The city infrastructure is already creaking at the seams. Traffic jams everywhere and raw sewage overflowing into the sea at Poolbeg every time it rains.
As shown by past governments' record,lack of water charges will result in insufficient investment in water supplies and sewerage capacity, with constant threats of major breakdowns.But many foolish Irish believe water magically rains its way into taps and wasteful use doesn't matter.

Relative to Manhattan's population, Central Park offers a fraction of the park space of Dublin.

Decentralisation requires a lot of infrastructure. Irish village pump politics under extreme proportional representation voting hobbles the long term governmen planning needed to achieve it.





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Too much of our public parks and green spaces have already been fenced off for private use by GAA clubs etc. In St. Anne's there is a pitch and putt course, football fields, all-weather pitches, etc. all fenced off so people out for a nature walk are increasingly corralled into narrow alleyways along the perimeter of these privatised areas. The physical and mental health benefits of our public green and blue spaces, as well as the other ecosystem services that they provide, need to be valued to be protected for future generations.
Does the GAA have long term leases?
 

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Then you are encroaching on the rose garden and football fields. The objections are not simply nimbyism.
One post above complains that the GAA and other private sports clubs have cordoned off too much space in public parks.
 

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Does the GAA have long term leases?
The point is that while a match is being played, a sports association can have exclusive access to the area required for the pitch but once the match is over other park users should have access to roam there. These open spaces have high environmental value which increases as population increases.
 

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St Anne's is clearly one of the corpo's success stories, so best to leave it alone.
 

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The point is that while a match is being played, a sports association can have exclusive access to the area required for the pitch but once the match is over other park users should have access to roam there. These open spaces have high environmental value which increases as population increases.
You mean value for the upper income Irish and NIMBYS who can afford the high house prices and rents caused by too many parks and lack of densities.
 


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