Eoghan Harris: We did forget but now we must put old ghosts to rest

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Excellent piece by Eoghan Harris. I highlighted some of the best bits of it...though I think Harris is wrong to lump SF with all the blame, FF, FG and the rest of the republican parties did as much as SF ever did...

Eoghan Harris: We did forget but now we must put old ghosts to rest - Eoghan Harris, Columnists - Independent.ie

The chief witness here is the commander of the West Cork Flying Column, Tom Barry himself: "I went to the war for no other reason than that I wanted to see what war was like, to get a gun, to see new countries and to feel a grown man."
My answer comes from my memories of growing up in Cork in the Fifties, when First World War veterans still crossed Cork city on crutches and restless Republicans still roamed the streets on Remembrance day, tearing poppies from the coats of middle-aged men, and it is a simple answer: Sinn Fein deliberately demonised the survivors and drove them from collective memory.
Second, my father's generation, which was replacing the Old IRA in the Fifties was actually more primitive in its politics. As teenage tearaways they had roamed the streets in the lawless days of Civil War and lacked their father's fairly benign memories of the complexities of Redmondite Cork. As adults they were political louts, like Hitler's Brownshirts, who would stupidly shout "West Brits" at working class veterans who lived in the lanes off Shandon Street.

Third, by the Sixties, these nationalist thicks had been replaced by an equally simplistic generation of "republican socialists" who saw the old soldiers as simply economic victims, cannon fodder for the capitalist-imperialist aims of the British and German empires, which were dismissed as equally bad -- which of course they were not. Today, the position of the Irish people on Irish soldiers in the First World War is a mild mixture of these three positions, plus a healthy dollop of republican pluralism, courtesy of the peace process.

By and large most people believe the participants were either victims or proto-Republicans who were really fighting for Home Rule and were badly betrayed.
Given Sinn Fein's sneers at old soldiers, daubing of memorials, and paranoia about wearing the poppy, its not too surprising that republican relatives made up ridiculous stories about their grandfathers' motives in going to war. But it's still shameful. Although I reject my grandfather's IRA politics, they are his, not mine, and I would not dream of distorting them to suit a revisionist agenda.
 


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Excellent piece by Eoghan Harris. I highlighted some of the best bits of it...though I think Harris is wrong to lump SF with all the blame, FF, FG and the rest of the republican parties did as much as SF ever did...

Eoghan Harris: We did forget but now we must put old ghosts to rest - Eoghan Harris, Columnists - Independent.ie
He really has nothing to write about these days and is getting more and more repetitive with each day. 40years now of bashing sinn fein.
 
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Yeah I knew a fascist Unionist like you Schomberg would like a piece from a hypocritical, bipolar and inconsistent hack like Harris.

Oh I forgot his hostility to free speech.

Muppet.
 

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And we should remember it was harris, conor cruise o brien and their fellow loons in the stickies that controlled RTE in the 70's and 80's subsequently shaping its angles and ethos which ultimately shaped our ethos.

Is it any wonder the British got away with death squads, dublin monaghan bombing etc when this guy was in near complete control of what or what not RTE would put out.

Sad as it is, today he is just doing the same thing from the back of most popular sunday newspaper.
 

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He really has nothing to write about these days and is getting more and more repetitive with each day. 40years now of bashing sinn fein.
He's sort of reminds me of those old Anti-Semitic types in history who blamed everything on the Jews. But it shows you how strong Bertie's and FF's Republican credentials are when they appointed a man like this to the Senate.
 

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He's sort of reminds me of those old Anti-Semitic types in history who blamed everything on the Jews.
:lol::lol::lol:

you mean kinda like the Irish who blame everything on the Brits? that sort of person??

classic stuff neoicei..classic stuff :lol:
 

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He's sort of reminds me of those old Anti-Semitic types in history who blamed everything on the Jews. But it shows you how strong Bertie's and FF's Republican credentials are when they appointed a man like this to the Senate.
There is more irish republicanism in david cameron than there is in fianna fail these days.
 

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Jeez, Yawn Harris really is a one-trick pony, isn't he!

First Prenderville and now Harris. Genuine Cork langers.petuniapetuniapetunia
 

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Dull!
 

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Seriously given your fondness for doing this: when you cant face up to the truth, leads me to the conclusion that you really have issues.
aye....not that funny when you do it...but i'm sure you'll give it another bash...
 

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Who cares what Harris says, he is only in the Seanad as a favour from Bertie, He will be gone in a few weeks,maybe, a few days.
 

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Sinn Féin, Sinn Féin, Sinn Féin...He's mentions Sinn Féin eight times in one short article. He comes across like such an obsessive nut!
 

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I'm starting to feel sorry for Harris.
 

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Harris reminds me of the character, 'Johnny One-Note'.

No matter what he sung or played, it always came out in the same monotonous (one theme) tone !

Harris, you are a far cry from the fiery, passionate and logical young man I knew in UCC many years ago.

You appear to have done more political flip/flops in your life than a colony of frogs would do in a millennium.
 

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The fact is that the 200,000 Irishmen who went to fight did so for 200,000 reasons -- but mostly because they wanted to.

The chief witness here is the commander of the West Cork Flying Column, Tom Barry himself: "I went to the war for no other reason than that I wanted to see what war was like, to get a gun, to see new countries and to feel a grown man."
Ireland freely helped build the British Empire with such men. People talk about the 16,000 or so who took part in the Easter Rising as if their opinions and sentiments eclipsed those of the 200,000 British squaddies that came from here. It's pure shíte.
 

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I'm starting to feel sorry for Harris.
In the way humane people feel sorry for others who suffer from autistic-spectrum obsessions mixed with extreme paranoia.

Irishmen who recently died fighting for our former colonial masters against other 'lesser' peoples got more sympathy in our cringe-making media than did Irish soldiers who died in the service of the United Nations trying to keep the peace in the Lebanon.

When that bloke from Ballyfermot died in Iraq in 2003 during the orgy of death unleashed by Britain and the USA, he was portrayed here as the epitomy of Renaissance man, and that's hardly an exaggeration. His funeral was treated by the media almost as a state funeral, with journalists well represented among the mourners.

He died serving with an army that had killed 300 people in this country during the recent conflict, including 30 children. An army which had colluded to a significant degree with loyalist paramilitaries who killed a thousand more. He was fighting on behalf of a government which refuses to this day to co-operate with our authorities on the matter of British Army involvement in the mass-murder of 33 innocent civilians in one hour on the streets of Dublin and Monaghan.

And he was presented as a great hero, at least by our nauseating media elite.

They recently lauded the unveiling of carefully gathered accounts of the savagery of attacks by the Irish natives against foreign colonial invaders who were intent on obliterating the lives, culture, and homes of the natives. Do we maintain similar detailed accounts of the savagery suffered by Irish families in their own land at that time? I think not.

That could only happen in Ireland. The servility of the Irish knows no bounds. It's little wonder we're bowing once more to our betters, in this case our indigenous betters. Our forebears who showed the backbone and selfless sacrifice that earned them great respect beyond the British Empire would be sickened to see what we've become as a nation.

I've no axe to grind with those men who saw fit or felt the need to join the British Army before the Black and Tans and Auxies got to work. I've no axe to grind with those who fought in the British Army during World War ll. Many were brave men who fought against the Nazis alongside other brave men from Britain and elsewhere.

However, we should not be going out of our way to place them on pedestals at the behest of people like Eoghan Harris who tirelessly demonise those other Irish men and women who fought and in many cases died for the rights of their own people in their own land.

Respect works both ways, unless you're a galactic hypocrite like Harris and his loyal legion.
 

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Same boring ************************e from Harris, nothing to see here.
 


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