ESB Engineer: Ireland should go Nuclear

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Policy on the basis of best available information would mean that the significant issues with respect to the so called in this area would be fully considered. Ignorance is not a defence here.
You need to work on your English
 


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AFAIK this government or the previous one has done no CBA on current energy policies which seem to be about endless supports for wind/solar no matter if this approach does any good for the environment and seem completely oblivious to the growing energy poverty issues in the state as a result of such a policty
They are also doing a Boris on hiding the costs of different technologies from the public. The public is not to know the differences in the wholesale cost of electricity from gas, oil, wind, on a daily basis - they might not like the impact on retail electricity costs if they were so informed.
 

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Before we destroy our power generating capacity, bring in untried and possibly insufficient renewables or dally with nuclear (the expense of which would be my greatest concern), shouldn't we know why we are potentially turning our world on its head?

The evidence strongly suggests co2 is not a global warming gas and in fact the world may be cooling or is at least in a hiatus period.
It is in your head.
 

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I read your post as well.

I remain scoobyless. Easy to say 'whats not clear' if it's obscure beyond all understanding.

Religious by any chance?
Ok, let's spell it out longhand.

If you are saying that policy should be made from the best available information, then significant issues that have arisen with respect to the information which is classed by some as the "best information" on this subject, need to be fully taken into account. This is not happening, and therefore the subsequent decisions which will adversely impact very many people will have been badly taken. Such maladministration should not be tolerated.
 
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AFAIK this government or the previous one has done no CBA on current energy policies which seem to be about endless supports for wind/solar no matter if this approach does any good for the environment and seem completely oblivious to the growing energy poverty issues in the state as a result of such a policty
Can you elaborate on the growing energy poverty issues? The government are moving towards more investment in the energy efficiency of dwellings especially those occupied by those more vulnerable. With an increasing population there are probably more persons per dwelling so energy costs are shared more. The prices of home heating fuels seem to be increasing in line with other prices.

Much of our energy poverty comes from living in houses rather than apartments so we have huge loss of heat compared with mid-floor apartments.
 
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Can you elaborate on the growing energy poverty issues? The government are moving towards more investment in the energy efficiency of dwellings especially those occupied by bums. With an increasing population there are probably more persons per dwelling so energy costs are shared more. The prices of home heating fuels seem to be increasing in line with other prices.

Much of our energy poverty comes from living in houses rather than apartments so we have huge loss of heat compared with mid-floor apartments.
fixed the typo for ya.
 

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What is the difference between the price of electricity from wind and that from gas, in the Republic of Ireland, just now?
Hard to compare as one can run in baseload and the other does not. In fact, the IEA, EIA, IPCC etc say that you should not compare.
 

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Hard to compare as one can run in baseload and the other does not. In fact, the IEA, EIA, IPCC etc say that you should not compare.
Of course they do. Why would they want the very clear excess costs of many of these renewable techologies to the fore of people's thinking? It's a political game.
 

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Hard to compare as one can run in baseload and the other does not. In fact, the IEA, EIA, IPCC etc say that you should not compare.
What do you mean by 'run in baseload'?
 

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Has this "ESB engineer" come out yet and and declared the extent of his interest in the nuclear industry?
There is no nuclear industry in Ireland and the ESB no longer have any plans for nuclear power.
 

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What do you mean by 'run in baseload'?
Gas plants can be used to supply baseload power i.e. act to provide stable output or act as peakers. Its output is predictable and stable.
 

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Can you elaborate on the growing energy poverty issues? The government are moving towards more investment in the energy efficiency of dwellings especially those occupied by those more vulnerable. With an increasing population there are probably more persons per dwelling so energy costs are shared more. The prices of home heating fuels seem to be increasing in line with other prices.

Much of our energy poverty comes from living in houses rather than apartments so we have huge loss of heat compared with mid-floor apartments.

Since we set out subsidising wind power etc. our energy bills have gone from below the EU average in 2000 to now the 3rd most expensive in the block just behind Denmark and Germany. The likes of the Fr McVerry Trust etc. have made several submissions to the energy regular on this matter in recent years highlighting the difficulties this is inflicting on the poorest families. Sadly the regulator and Dept of Energy appears to be more in tune with what powerfull wind industry lobby groups like the IWEA want
 

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Since we set out subsidising wind power etc. our energy bills have gone from below the EU average in 2000 to now the 3rd most expensive in the block just behind Denmark and Germany. The likes of the Fr McVerry Trust etc. have made several submissions to the energy regular on this matter in recent years highlighting the difficulties this is inflicting on the poorest families. Sadly the regulator and Dept of Energy appears to be more in tune with what powerfull wind industry lobby groups like the IWEA want
McVerry is no doubt, a very nice and sincere man who does a very job of giving a bit of practical assistance to people who are down and out.

That doesn't mean that we should heed his ultracrepidarian musings on energy and economic policy.
 

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McVerry is no doubt, a very nice and sincere man who does a very job of giving a bit of practical assistance to people who are down and out.

That doesn't mean that we should heed his ultracrepidarian musings on energy and economic policy.
There were multiple submissions along the same lines - including from Engineers Ireland and SME.
 

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The way things are going, anyone with a patch of land or a fair sized roof is going to make his own with PV panels. They will be selling surplus to the Esb.

Jump to 2040 and Esb clients will be mostly in urban areas / high rise flats.
 


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