ESB worker of 38 years experience gets €110k compensation, as he was never trained how to carry parcels

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ESB worker of 38 years experience gets €110k compensation, as he was never trained how to carry parcels

This is nuts...an untrained chimpanzee would be wary of going down stairs with both hands full

If the Jydge is right in law, the law needs to be changed

ESB employee who slipped and fell on stairs while collecting post awarded €110,000
The court found Terence Morgan, who had worked with the ESB for about 38 years, did not get specific training in the task of collecting post which he had performed over a number of years.
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While Mr Morgan had inadvertently carried parcels in both hands, the judge ruled it still did not amount to contributory negligence on his part in view of the absence of specific training.

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Only €110K?
 

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W.T.F.?!

One of the most H & S conscious organisations on this island gets hammered like this!! F.F.S.
 

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This is nuts...an untrained chimpanzee would be wary of going down stairs with both hands full

If the Jydge is right in law, the law needs to be changed

ESB employee who slipped and fell on stairs while collecting post awarded €110,000



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Oh Christ!

He saw the stairs were wet.

Next offence up. Asking anyone to do anything, using normal commonsense.

'So you asked him to do something?'

'No, he does it every day'

'That's not a defence to your hideous negligence, just stop getting people doing stuff'


'Next..'
 
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W.T.F.?!

One of the most H & S conscious organisations on this island gets hammered like this!! F.F.S.
:mad::mad::mad:

They can't have been that H&S aware if a man could work for them 38 years without safe working procedures being second nature to him.

And why did he come to be carrying so much outgoing mail?

Couldn't a few others have brought some of it down, perhaps on their way down leaving work?


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Only €110K?
Have any of you people here ever done a day's work in your lives, or known people that have been crippled for life by industrial accidents, or industrial poisoning?

[video=youtube;RtiaReNsHOo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtiaReNsHOo[/video]
 

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Reported in a way to get the reader's blood boiling, but I suspect this was a big part of the issue.. Probably a fair enough award, depending on how bad the man's ongoing pain is..

It was the court's view that a problem with the nosing on the steps, combined with the fact they were wet, caused Mr Morgan to slip and fall very heavily.
 

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Reported in a way to get the reader's blood boiling, but I suspect this was a big part of the issue.. Probably a fair enough award, depending on how bad the man's ongoing pain is..

It was the court's view that a problem with the nosing on the steps, combined with the fact they were wet, caused Mr Morgan to slip and fall very heavily.
Case closed. It's right he was compensated; fair, modest award.

People may quibble about H&S overkill but I work in an industry where there is a slippery slope from ignoring minor safety hazards to fatalities occurring. It has to be a zero harm, zero tolerance culture.
 
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Reported in a way to get the reader's blood boiling, but I suspect this was a big part of the issue.. Probably a fair enough award, depending on how bad the man's ongoing pain is..
ESB's lawyers should've settled this out of court long before it got in front of a judge.
 
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Case closed. It's right he was compensated; fair, modest award.

People may quibble about H&S overkill but I work in an industry where there is a slippery slope from ignoring minor safety hazards to fatalities occurring. It has to be a zero harm, zero tolerance culture.
100% agree with you, farnaby. Whether it's equipment checks, personnel checks, environmental and surroundings checks....the difference between life and death can often be a trivial thing.
 

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When you over fill your hands, we refer to it as “A lazy man’s load”.
 

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When you over fill your hands, we refer to it as “A lazy man’s load”.
Yep, walking down the stairs with parcels in both hands is a bad idea

The notion that training is needed is foolish, how to use stairs is a life skill gained early in childhood

The man should be put in a playpen for the rest of his employment

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Yep, walking down the stairs with parcels in both hands is a bad idea

The notion that training is needed is foolish, how to use stairs is a life skill gained early in childhood

The man should be put in a playpen for the rest of his employment

Cyp
You continue to mock this man, while the court deemed that it was the condition of the stairs - problematic nosing and wet - that caused him to fall.

Shame on you.
 

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You continue to mock this man, while the court deemed that it was the condition of the stairs - problematic nosing and wet - that caused him to fall.

Shame on you.
He lacks the skills of a competent adult, the court said the ESB should have trained him not to walk down the stairs with both hands full..that skill is expected to be gained early in childhood



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This is nuts...an untrained chimpanzee would be wary of going down stairs with both hands full

If the Jydge is right in law, the law needs to be changed

ESB employee who slipped and fell on stairs while collecting post awarded €110,000



Cyp
Ah now Cyp - try reading the article - the award was made because of negligence by the employer because the stairs was not properly constructed and the stairs was wet. The 'both hands full' bit was not part of the ruling.

Are you suggesting that an employer should not be held responsible for negligence that results in an injury to a worker?
 

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Ah now Cyp - try reading the article - the award was made because of negligence by the employer because the stairs was not properly constructed and the stairs was wet. The 'both hands full' bit was not part of the ruling.

Are you suggesting that an employer should not be held responsible for negligence that results in an injury to a worker?
The stairs were indeed wet, personally I am cautious on stairs, the accident would most likely have been avoided if he had a hand on the bannister

The purported negligence was lack of training on how to use stairs:
The court found Terence Morgan, who had worked with the ESB for about 38 years, did not get specific training in the task of collecting post which he had performed over a number of years.
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While Mr Morgan had inadvertently carried parcels in both hands, the judge ruled it still did not amount to contributory negligence on his part in view of the absence of specific training.
I do not see that as negligence. Yes I agree in general an employer should be held liable when it is their fault

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ESB's lawyers should've settled this out of court long before it got in front of a judge.
That's right, Carlos.

As it is they'll also have to pay Costs, very likely a lot more than €110,000.

And while Mr O'Hanlon hadn't been given any training in carrying parcels I'm willing to bet that he was being told all day and every day that he had to get all the outgoing post down to be franked by a time-deadline no matter what.

Why couldn't the white-collar office-workers have carried some of that down themselves?
 

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