ESRI projects 1.1 million population growth

Dame_Enda

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The ESRI this morning, as reported in the Irish Independent, is projecting a population increase of 1.1 million by 2030. They project net immigration of 39,000 per annum up to 2021, followed by 28,000 per annum afterwards. The report links the issue to Brexit, based on Ireland being the only English speaking country left in the EU after Brexit.

This also poses challenges to an already creaking and Third World health service, and threatens an explosion of homelessness, welfare tourism and vagrancy.

If this vision becomes a reality and Ireland is deluged by mass immigration by people fleeing the UK in search of the only other English speaking EU country, we should:

- Use the Brexit negotiations to see an restrictions on access to the labour market for EU citizens currently residing in the UK.
- Health/education spending should be linked to levels of population growth.

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If this vision becomes a reality and Ireland is deluged by mass immigration by people fleeing the UK in search of the only other English speaking EU country, we should:

- Use the Brexit negotiations to see an restrictions on access to the labour market for EU citizens currently residing in the UK.
- Health/education spending should be linked to levels of population growth.

Thoughts?
- Projected demand for property (Apartments and houses) should be used as the primary driver for decisions on changes to planning laws/infrastructure projects etc. Not "Gosh I don't want a road being built next to my house" or "Gosh I don't want tall buildings near me".
 

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The ESRI this morning, as reported in the Irish Independent, is projecting a population increase of 1.1 million by 2030. They project net immigration of 39,000 per annum up to 2021, followed by 28,000 per annum afterwards. The report links the issue to Brexit, based on Ireland being the only English speaking country left in the EU after Brexit.

This also poses challenges to an already creaking and Third World health service, and threatens an explosion of homelessness, welfare tourism and vagrancy.

If this vision becomes a reality and Ireland is deluged by mass immigration by people fleeing the UK in search of the only other English speaking EU country, we should:

- Use the Brexit negotiations to see an restrictions on access to the labour market for EU citizens currently residing in the UK.
- Health/education spending should be linked to levels of population growth.

Thoughts?
Vancouver property prices coming to Dublin. Oliver Bond -river view - apartments will be making €500k within 5 years if they're accurate. even a chance they'd double again by 2030
 

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Vancouver property prices coming to Dublin. Oliver Bond -river view - partments will be making €500k within 5 years if they're accurate. even a chance they'd double again by 2030
And all of this is great for the elite property speculators. The post 2004 mass influx must have contributed to the last housing bubble. Its also great for the millionaires looking for slave labour nannies who will work for next to nothing. Bad for the rest of us. Overcrowded hospitals and schools too. Traffic congestion much worse.
 

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This will make ireland a great little country in which you do business.
 

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And all of this is great for the elite property speculators. The post 2004 mass influx must have contributed to the last housing bubble. Its also great for the millionaires looking for slave labour nannies who will work for next to nothing. Bad for the rest of us. Overcrowded hospitals and schools too. Traffic congestion much worse.
Well, if we know it's coming....here's a novel thought, how about planning for it properly?

Starting with a Metro!
 

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And all of this is great for the elite property speculators. The post 2004 mass influx must have contributed to the last housing bubble. Its also great for the millionaires looking for slave labour nannies who will work for next to nothing. Bad for the rest of us. Overcrowded hospitals and schools too. Traffic congestion much worse.
If the wealth this creates gets funnelled into those services they may improve at a rate faster than the services are being used.

That's how the neo liberal model works isn't it. So anyone saying it'll make an impact is disingenuous.

Leave it to neo libs.
 

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Great if managed properly.

Would we prefer mass emigration like we have had for the bulk of our history?
 

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Great if managed properly.

Would we prefer mass emigration like we have had for the bulk of our history?
We would prefer a happy medium. Our leaders have shown themselves unable to plan for this given experience with EU Enlargement. 4 years later the economy crashed from the property bubble. We have mass homelessness and neo landlordism. Yesterday in the GP clinic I again saw those signs saying that 'due to GP funding crisis' medical card patients are being charged €25 for blood tests and ear syringes.
 

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Great if managed properly.

Would we prefer mass emigration like we have had for the bulk of our history?
FG/FF/Labour have shown they are completely unable to manage the affairs of the country for decades now.

So no it's not a great thing.
 

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Sounds great. We'll need to manage it properly so that the children of the immigrants feel Irish and get equal opportunities regardless of the colour of their skin. People from different places bring new ideas , the USA used immigrant drive to go from nothing to the most powerful country in the world by the mid 19th century.

Plus I need those fellas to pay my pension in a few decades!!!
 

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Rots is extending his underground bunkering facility down here on the Estate..:rolleyes:
 

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Shane Coleman on Newstalk delighted with the report, calling it an "opportunity". Was also a cheerleader for the 2004 immigration after Enlargement. :roll:
 

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And you can see this future when you look at the mess in France /uk/ Sweden today

There is a very good reason the brits voted to leave. Looks like we are going to have to learn the same lessons the hard way.
 
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If they're right this will majorly reinflate property and create massive gridlock in Dublin. Major decentralisation is neccessary to avoid this or a complete libralisation of planning laws. A green paper is also essential to get momentumn behind a United Ireland. 90% of tge growth will be Dublin/Cork/Galway based. If balanced with Belfast the congestion would be just about managable and Belfast's character in the midst of an gigantic economic transformation could be more smoothly streamlined with Dublin/Cork etc.

This really is seismic what the ERSI is forecasting. We thought we could absorb similiar in the naughties and it almost torpedoed the state. Its the equivalent of the German population increasing by 18 million. If our island is the unit substituted its 13 million and maybe manageable?
 
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Sounds great. We'll need to manage it properly so that the children of the immigrants feel Irish and get equal opportunities regardless of the colour of their skin. People from different places bring new ideas , the USA used immigrant drive to go from nothing to the most powerful country in the world by the mid 19th century.

Plus I need those fellas to pay my pension in a few decades!!!
Yeah bringing Sharia into Ireland is a great thing.

Away with you ya clown.
 

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Shane Coleman on Newstalk delighted with the report, calling it an "opportunity". Was also a cheerleader for the 2004 immigration after Enlargement. :roll:
Poor Shane is still having problems dealing with the IW disaster. He mustn't have pocketed the Dinny bonus for not shilling hard enough. Bless.
 


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