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Estate Agents, Do they go to class to learn how to lie..


Sangreel

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..so well? I dropped a tidy amount to buy a place outside Sligo town and when I asked for a surveyors report the agent and the owner got upset. Demanded to know why and gave me all sorts of grief.
Found out the water supply was illegally taken from the local water scheme and had been for years. Property tax not paid, sewer fee not paid and outstanding liens attached to the property. Turns out the estate agent and the solicitor knew about the problems and chose to try to guilt trip me into closing on the place by telling me over and over again how "poor" the sellers were and that the issues were not big ones..ete. etc. etc.

This is the 3rd time I have run up against this type of B*LLS*IT when trying to buy a home here.
As god is my witness it really seems that estate agents and solicitors go to school to learn how to lie like a pro. No wonder Ireland is in such a bad financial state. My wife asked me today why in h*ll did we ever move back to the land of liers and thieves?



I had no reply then to hang my head in shame. The only thing I could do is walk away from the sale and get my cash back.
 

A view from England

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Report them.

And your wife is a wise woman. Treasure her...
Completely agree. There must be some professional body that solicitors have to sign up with. I'd write formally to them with all the evidence, including the report you had commissioned.

Well done by the way for undertaking proper due diligence.
 

Belodedici

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This is Ireland, what do you expect?

There will always be a cute whore
 

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..so well? I dropped a tidy amount to buy a place outside Sligo town and when I asked for a surveyors report the agent and the owner got upset. Demanded to know why and gave me all sorts of grief.
Found out the water supply was illegally taken from the local water scheme and had been for years. Property tax not paid, sewer fee not paid and outstanding liens attached to the property. Turns out the estate agent and the solicitor knew about the problems and chose to try to guilt trip me into closing on the place by telling me over and over again how "poor" the sellers were and that the issues were not big ones..ete. etc. etc.

This is the 3rd time I have run up against this type of B*LLS*IT when trying to buy a home here.
As god is my witness it really seems that estate agents and solicitors go to school to learn how to lie like a pro. No wonder Ireland is in such a bad financial state. My wife asked me today why in h*ll did we ever move back to the land of liers and thieves?



I had no reply then to hang my head in shame. The only thing I could do is walk away from the sale and get my cash back.
You HAVE to report them and if there is no success there name and shame them.
 

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Standard practice cute hoorism that is endemic in the 'professional' classes. It's ingrained in the culture. Report it and follow it up
 

Sangreel

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This is Ireland, what do you expect?

There will always be a cute whore
Agree.. I did send a strongly worded letter to the agencies and the water scheme, only to have their solicitor threaten to sue ME!!
I told her to bring it on as I have paid 350 euro to have a surveyor insure my ar*e was protected. Never heard anything back. What pisses me off is this is the 3rd... 3rd time this has happened. Might not be the same issues but the same type of lies. I do wonder if its the reason why the property market is so screwed right now...... I have lost all respect for estate agents. I knew solicitors were not to be trusted but now I find that I just don't trust anyone I have to pay money for a service in Ireland right now.
 
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Agree.. I did send a strongly worded letter to the agencies and the water scheme, only to have their solicitor threaten to sue ME!!
I told her to bring it on as I have paid 350 euro to have a surveyor insure my ar*e was protected. Never heard anything back. What pisses me off is this is the 3rd... 3rd time this has happened. Might not be the same issues but the same type of lies. I do wonder if its the reason why the property market is so screwed right now...... I have lost all respect for estate agents. I knew solicitors were not to be trusted but now I find that I just don't trust anyone I have to pay money for a service in Ireland right now.
Well, from my own experience of getting land in Sligo serviced by a group water scheme, I feel your pain. Some very dodgy shenanigans go on there...
 

SayItAintSo

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Did you get your own survey done before closing the sale? If so you might have some recourse from them as they should have picked up these problems I'd imagine.

Edit: I see from your post you paid E350 for a survey. Surely you must have a case against them for not picking up the problems?
 
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cricket

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There seems to be no standards applicable to the auctioneering/mortage sector, whatever about solicitors.
 

EUrJokingMeRight

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Rednecks.
 

wishywashy

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There seems to be no standards applicable to the auctioneering/mortage sector, whatever about solicitors.


And there never was. The developers,bankers and politicians rightly get it up the hoop for the bust. In fact its arguable that the auctioneers/estate agents weren't the biggest culprits such were the lengths they would have gone to in order to make a sale. They played the biggest part in inflating property prices.
 

noodles

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Physical problems with the property/ boundary problems - sue the surveyor who gave you incorrect information

Items like lien on property, unpaid taxes/ bills attaching to property you sue the solicitor.

These people are incompetent not liars. The items you mentioned above come up in most property purchases. You hire professionals to act on your behalf and solve these problems.

I have to wonder what kind of person moans on a website about serious problems yet seems incapable of beginning to address the problem.
 

Bren Boru

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..so well? I dropped a tidy amount to buy a place outside Sligo town and when I asked for a surveyors report the agent and the owner got upset. Demanded to know why and gave me all sorts of grief.
Found out the water supply was illegally taken from the local water scheme and had been for years. Property tax not paid, sewer fee not paid and outstanding liens attached to the property. Turns out the estate agent and the solicitor knew about the problems and chose to try to guilt trip me into closing on the place by telling me over and over again how "poor" the sellers were and that the issues were not big ones..ete. etc. etc.

This is the 3rd time I have run up against this type of B*LLS*IT when trying to buy a home here.
As god is my witness it really seems that estate agents and solicitors go to school to learn how to lie like a pro. No wonder Ireland is in such a bad financial state. My wife asked me today why in h*ll did we ever move back to the land of liers and thieves?



I had no reply then to hang my head in shame. The only thing I could do is walk away from the sale and get my cash back.

Because this kind of stuff doesn't happen in ANY other country in the world.

Every other country is just so honest. This problem is confined to Ireland.

Don't be so naive.
 

SayItAintSo

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If there a liens on the property and unpaid tax then your solicitor has not done his job properly.
You can certainly complain to their professional body.
 

Sangreel

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Because this kind of stuff doesn't happen in ANY other country in the world.

Every other country is just so honest. This problem is confined to Ireland.

Don't be so naive.


I had a real snarky reply, but I see that it would be wasted on you.
 

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Anything else? :p

Maybe I can build ya a fkin house myself petunia

Ya should be shot for wantin to live in Sligo anyway - kip :lol:
 
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