Estate agents using gardaí to get illegal data on potential tenants...

MsAnneThrope

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Sunday Tribune, February 14th 2010: Estate agents using gardaí to get illegal data

Estate agents claim they can use gardaí to illegally access the confidential Pulse intelligence system to conduct criminal background checks on potential tenants, a Sunday Tribune investigation has found. [...]

The Data Protection Commissioner Billy Hawkes has now launched a probe into the allegations of illegal activity in the sector.
This is the same Data Protection Commissioner - Billy Hawkes - who said he'd "like to investigate to uncover the scale of the problem" of estate agents colluding with mortgage brokers just a few years ago, to find out beforehand what the buyer had to spend, and upping the prices accordingly? An investigation that resulted in our courts full of prosecutions for those offences?

Irish Examiner, December 12th 2006: Property market is rife with illegal practices, programme claims

In the programme ‘Buyer Beware’, Primetime Investigates outlined some serious problems encountered by buyers, sellers and householders, including: bidding against themselves as estate agents make up fake prices to push up the price of a property, fake bidders being used in auctions, high fees being charged for services by property management agencies and ‘gazumping’, where sellers renege on a sale agreement and then sell for a higher price.

The programme claimed that in some cases mortgage brokers find out how much money a perspective buyer has to spend and passes the information on to the estate agent. [...]

The Data Protection Commissioner Billy Hawkes said that a mortgage broker passing on information regarding a perspective buyer’s financial situation broke the terms of the Data Protection Act and that his office would like to investigate to uncover the scale of the problem.
And now we have estate agents colluding with the gardaí? What are the gardaí who illegally provide such info getting in return?

Ireland, in 2010. Will somebody, anybody, CTRL-ALT-DEL it now, wipe the disk clean and install a new operating system in the country please? It's game over here. What next, and NAMA is only getting started?
 
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Well, let's bear in mind that "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear", eh?
 

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Well, let's bear in mind that "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear", eh?
Aye, and if you have something to hide and get caught you can now just claim an "error of judgement", "professional advice which was misguided" or "a genuine mistake", or so it would seem. Failing that there's always the good ol' reliable "memory loss" to fall back on.
 

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Kind of hard to believe this story, PULSE spends more time crashing and not being available than it does being live.
 

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Kind of hard to believe this story, PULSE spends more time crashing and not being available than it does being live.
It's the intent to use the information for the benefit of estate agents is the worrying, not to mention illegal, concern. We already recently had the AXA, a dodgy civil servant, and your money thread, where a civil servant was allegedly secretly supplying confidential information to AXA Insurance, with no consequences. Who else are the civil servants and gardai passing confidential information to, in breach of Data Protection legislation? Ireland has to get very tough on these white collar crimes.
 

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Surely this is an issue for either the Garda or the Garda Ombudsman to investigate.
 

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And now we have estate agents colluding with the gardaí? What are the gardaí who illegally provide such info getting in return?
It's often done as a favour for a friend or relative. I've seen a friend use her sister to get full history on a car before she bought it. It wouldn't surprise me to see similar done.

With 16,000 gardai who have access to pulse and let's say them having 10 family members and 10 friends they'd provide the info to, that leaves a lot of the country with access to the confidential garda information on Pulse.
 

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It's often done as a favour for a friend or relative. I've seen a friend use her sister to get full history on a car before she bought it. It wouldn't surprise me to see similar done.

With 16,000 gardai who have access to pulse and let's say them having 10 family members and 10 friends they'd provide the info to, that leaves a lot of the country with access to the confidential garda information on Pulse.
It should be a case for instant dismissal and prosecution. Period.
 

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Many Gardai are landlords too - not the most responsible always either which would lead you to wonder if they used the pulse system for their own properties how different life could be for their neighbours in many cases :mad:
 

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Well, let's bear in mind that "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear", eh?
And that makes it ok????

Are we all not entitled to our privacy....isn't this a democracy that we are living in????
 

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It should be a case for instant dismissal and prosecution. Period.
It is an abuse of their position and should be punished.

Does every pillar of our society need 'cleaning up'??

This is systematic of the Irish 'what you know.....wink, wink, nod, nod' crap that is part of this country.

We truly need to wake up and clean up our act, literally.

We need to have much, much higher standards, at ALL levels of our society.
 

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Estate Agents have major questions to answer in any inquiry into our property crash.

Most of them had a mortgage brokerage and were developers as well, which meant they were Builder, Price Fixer, Vendor and Loan Provider.

The conflicts of interest were scandalous and should be made illegal immediately.

How many TDs and Councillors have relatives operating Estate Agencies in their locality?

Should people with inside access to Planning decisions be allowed operate as Estate Agents?
 

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I wonder how the 'probes' and 'investigations' are going. What is it with this country that whenever something is exposed we hear 'an investigation has been launched' and then S.F.A. happens after that? No heads roll, no consequences, carry on shur it'll be grand.

This new Government has to really get tough on this behaviour by PS & CS employees. If someone has been found to have broken the law, or is passing on confidential information to third parties, then they must be fired. No payoffs, bonuses, compensation or any of that nonsense and I'd like to see them lose 100% of their pension entitlements. They should also be barred from ever working in the PS or CS again, directly or indirectly.

And enough of these meaningless half-hearted 'investigations', 'internal review of procedures', 'committee to examine the findings' etc etc. Let's put an end to this 'gently-gently', 'do-nothing-and-hope-people-forget-about-it' approach to white-collar crime...
 
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I wonder how the 'probes' and 'investigations' are going. What is it with this country that whenever something is exposed we hear 'an investigation has been launched' and then S.F.A. happens after that. No heads roll, no consequences, carry on shur it'll be grand.

This new Government has to really get tough on this behaviour by PS & CS employees. If someone has been found to have broken the law, or is passing on confidential information to third parties, then they must be fired. No payoffs, bonuses, compensation or any of that nonsense and I'd like to see them lose 100% of their pension entitlements. They should also be barred from ever working in the PS or CS again, directly or indirectly.

And enough of these meaningless half-hearted 'investigations', 'internal review of procedures', 'committee to examine the findings' etc etc. Get the Fraud Squad in and put an end to this gently-gently approach to white-collar crime.
Its doubly important now that we know that the gardai can access all your phone and internet records without so much as a warrant.
 

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This new Government has to really get tough on this behaviour by PS & CS employees. If someone has been found to have broken the law, or is passing on confidential information to third parties, then they must be fired. No payoffs, bonuses, compensation or any of that nonsense and I'd like to see them lose 100% of their pension entitlements. They should also be barred from ever working in the PS or CS again, directly or indirectly.

And enough of these meaningless half-hearted 'investigations', 'internal review of procedures', 'committee to examine the findings' etc etc. Get the Fraud Squad in and put an end to this gently-gently approach to white-collar crime.
I think this cover up business is ingrained in our culture.

Maybe it gives a certain type of person a feel good factor because they don't have to obey the rules like everybody else???
 

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Its doubly important now that we know that the gardai can access all your phone and internet records without so much as a warrant.
Indeed. It was that other thread today which reminded me of this one...
 

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The government are too busy defending the ESB workers entitlements. When will Rabbitte tell the truth about the ESB Grid ownership arrangement
 


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