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Ethiopian Airlines B737 crashes

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cozzy121

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Excellent article by the beeb on the racist attacks by boeing and US politicans on the dead Ethopian pilots..

 


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Must be pretty serious for even the FAA to stop drinking the cool aid..


"Citing two sources familiar with the matter, Bloomberg reports that “data processing by a flight computer on the jetliner could cause the plane to dive in a way that pilots had difficulty recovering from in simulator tests.”
Classic kludging.. yet another fix required to fix the unexpected side effects of the fix ..
 

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We'll just have to wait a few extra months to fly on the Max I suppose. In the end, all this extra testing, probing and examination will probably make the Max an even better plane - it will probably end up with an exemplary safety and service record.

Just a pity so many people had to die to achieve this though.
 

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We'll just have to wait a few extra months to fly on the Max I suppose. In the end, all this extra testing, probing and examination will probably make the Max an even better plane - it will probably end up with an exemplary safety and service record.

Just a pity so many people had to die to achieve this though.
Good luck with your upcoming Max flights.. if you're into nose dives
 

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A German A320 had a serious nose dive problem a few years back - didn't work out well for the passengers and crew.
 

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A German A320 had a serious nose dive problem a few years back - didn't work out well for the passengers and crew.
Whataboutery without even a source!

I take it the A320 had flying software that over rode the pilots imputs and caused the crash?
Airbus never told the pilots about it?
Airbus denied there was a problem and allowed other A320's to crash?
 

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A German A320 had a serious nose dive problem a few years back - didn't work out well for the passengers and crew.
Well in that case the aircraft performed perfectly and exactly as the pilot wished it to do..
 

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"When ET302 crashed it was the second Boeing 737 Max to crash in four months.
The first happened in Indonesia in November 2018. Preliminary reports revealed that the same flight control system was at fault in both crashes. Now families around the world want to know why 157 people died in a second crash.
They are asking, why weren't the jets grounded after the first crash?"
 

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Sensible idea. Nobody will know the difference...
if you are the type of person that has been following the story you will, if you are the typical bucket and spade family they could call the plane the 737 Max Dive and people would still fly
 

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if you are the type of person that has been following the story you will, if you are the typical bucket and spade family they could call the plane the 737 Max Dive and people would still fly
The only difference that matters is whether you are flying with a cut-price airline like Ryanair or if it is first class with Emirates or some such Middle East airline.
 

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Don't like this name change.

The basic structural design has changed from the 737, and the computer basically has to intervene to help the pilot fly this mother.



Where the old planes were very stable in flight, the new 737 MAX is less so. This is the result of the placement of the new LEAP 1-B engines, which required an adjustment to the design of the plane to accommodate their increased physical size.
Simply put, the LEAP 1-B engines are larger, and they could not be simply swapped with the existing 737 engines. Boeing engineers had to move the point at which the engines attach to the wing, and this changes everything.
Moving the engine from its current position destabilizes the aircraft at in pitch (essentially the up and down movement of the nose). When the aircraft is in normal flight with a low pitch / angle of attack, it should fly basically just like the old 737s. However, when the pitch is increased, the engines themselves provide extra lift. The force of this lift is now applied forward of the center of gravity of the aircraft, due to the change in position of the engine, which in turn can cause the nose of the plane to pitch upward even more. This could cause the aircraft to swing into too high of an angle of attack and subsequently stall.
So it would appear that the 737 MAX 8 flies just fine in normal flight, but it is less stable in when flown at a high angle of attack, which is not good.
 


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