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Ethno-Nationalist Terrorism and The Never Ending Narrative.


raetsel

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Post 733.
Post 733 was presented as evidence of how loyalists feign empathy to exploit the death of someone in order to make a purely political point. Nowhere did it make "excuses for the attempted murder of Police, resulting in the death of Ms McKee" or even go near it.
You are a liar. And a blubbering idiot. :)
 


rem81

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Post 733 was presented as evidence of how loyalists feign empathy to exploit the death of someone in order to make a purely political point. Nowhere did it make "excuses for the attempted murder of Police, resulting in the death of Ms McKee" or even go near it.
You are a liar. And a blubbering idiot. :)
He's actually in the right here. I'm a staunch republican but you are talking bollocks, a gang murder is completely different from McKee's murder.
 

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I would take down "nationalist" flags if put up such that it would effect the town in which I live. More to the point the PSNI will not address the issue of Irish flags put up in places in which elected nationalist politicians ask for them to be taken down.
Well I pointed out there are at least two Tricklers visible on main roads into Omagh. And there used to be a terrorist supporting group flag on the bypass by the industrial estate.
I expect you to take these down ASAP, if you were a man of your word and not a downright hypocrite.
 

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Well I pointed out there are at least two Tricklers visible on main roads into Omagh. And there used to be a terrorist supporting group flag on the bypass by the industrial estate.
I expect you to take these down ASAP, if you were a man of your word and not a downright hypocrite.
Don't unionists like the tricolours orange part and Im assuming the white as well considering their racism against poles and Pakistanis and romas in east belfast
 

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You mean its like the Twelfth of July but a celebration of failure.
:)
What with all the overweight, "blue beg" chaps and chapesses observing the parade as they suck their tinnies of Tennants? :ROFLMAO:
No DOG, nothing like that at all!
It's a lot more dignified. They have a parade of the Irish army marching past the GPO, with posh boys like Leo and Simon solemnly observing from the reviewing stand.
 

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What with all the overweight, "blue beg" chaps and chapesses observing the parade as they suck their tinnies of Tennants? :ROFLMAO:
No DOG, nothing like that at all!
It's a lot more dignified. They have a parade of the Irish army marching past the GPO, with posh boys like Leo and Simon solemnly observing from the reviewing stand.
Please do not call the pseudo-ONH the Irish army
 

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Well I pointed out there are at least two Tricklers visible on main roads into Omagh.

Yes and the PSNI will stop anyone from taking them down. WTF. You would agree that anyone should be allowed to take flags down from public property?
 

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Yes and the PSNI will stop anyone from taking them down. WTF. You would agree that anyone should be allowed to take flags down from public property?
Does that include the Gaa flags that you support flying on public property in Omagh.
 

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Yes and the PSNI will stop anyone from taking them down. WTF. You would agree that anyone should be allowed to take flags down from public property?
Public property is public for a reason. If you put something in public and discard it its not your property anymore. You would be completely legally justified in taking down any flag as long as it doesn't cause disorder.
 

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I am perfectly happy with a ban on all flags on public property.
Amazing, you are very insightful and unoriginal. I bet you think that flags are "childish" and call people "fleggers unironically"... you're such a beacon of progressive leftist insight aren't you, you're so smart you; shrugging off borders and engaging in post-national iconoclasm....
 

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He's actually in the right here. I'm a staunch republican but you are talking bollocks, a gang murder is completely different from McKee's murder.
Is it not rather odd that the UVF and UDA are treated as political associates within the self styled "unionist family" by the DUP and UUP when it suits them?
You cannot have it both ways.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/03/16/news/paramilitaries-are-not-controlling-most-belfast-bonfires-pup-leader-billy-hutchinson-says-1280753/
David Campbell: I urge members of the UUP and DUP to work together
You two seem to be suggesting that the dissidents are not criminals and gangsters and are driven purely by political motives. Rather ironic considering that I'd laugh at any dissident who told me that. :)
 

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Post 733 was presented as evidence of how loyalists feign empathy to exploit the death of someone in order to make a purely political point. Nowhere did it make "excuses for the attempted murder of Police, resulting in the death of Ms McKee" or even go near it.
You are a liar. And a blubbering idiot. :)
The whole post is deflecting and making excuses for the murder of Ms McKee.
 

rem81

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Is it not rather odd that the UVF and UDA are treated as political associates within the self styled "unionist family" by the DUP and UUP when it suits them?
You cannot have it both ways.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/03/16/news/paramilitaries-are-not-controlling-most-belfast-bonfires-pup-leader-billy-hutchinson-says-1280753/
David Campbell: I urge members of the UUP and DUP to work together
You two seem to be suggesting that the dissidents are not criminals and gangsters and are driven purely by political motives. Rather ironic. :)
Shooting at police officers and killing an innocent journalist during a republican riot vs killing another loyalist criminal is NOT THE SAME. They are not completely motivated by politics, but at the end of the day they are a group that's dedicated to a political objective: forcing the British to withdraw from Ireland, and to establish a 32-county socialist republic. They were attempting to kill "crown forces" to carry on the torch and so on, and to respond to the government raiding them: this was a political/militarist/terrorist act, not a random gang murder, and was caught on camera during a riot and the victim was a respected journalist. Not the same in any way at all.
 

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In your warped parallel universe obviously that's the way it looked through the wormhole. Keep taking the prescription. :ROFLMAO:
I am not a unionist and I am telling you the situations are objectively not equivalent.
 

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In your warped parallel universe obviously that's the way it looked through the wormhole. Keep taking the prescription. :ROFLMAO:
So, here's your chance to unequivocally denounce all republican violence with no excuses and no whataboutery.

The floor is yours.
 

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Shooting at police officers and killing an innocent journalist during a republican riot vs killing another loyalist criminal is NOT THE SAME. They are not completely motivated by politics, but at the end of the day they are a group that's dedicated to a political objective: forcing the British to withdraw from Ireland, and to establish a 32-county socialist republic. They were attempting to kill "crown forces" to carry on the torch and so on, and to respond to the government raiding them: this was a political/militarist/terrorist act, not a random gang murder, and was caught on camera during a riot and the victim was a respected journalist. Not the same in any way at all.
That's an apples and oranges argument.
Both lives were taken by terrorist groups with political objectives, and both murders were shameful acts. The particular motivation in each case is hardly relevant.
 

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That's an apples and oranges argument.
Both lives were taken by terrorist groups with political objectives, and both murders were shameful acts. The particular motivation in each case is hardly relevant.
Here: one was a terrorist act (political aim), an attempt by an insurgency force to kill members of the state security groups. An innocent young journalist woman was killed, and the incident was caught on camera. It also occurred during a widely-covered Derry riot.

One was a murder likely over drugs of another criminal.

Try to keep up will you......
 

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I am perfectly happy with a ban on all flags on public property.
That's not what your point was.
Would you be OK if I went up Omagh main street in broad daylight and removed the Gaa flags and bunting that were on public property.
 

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