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He3

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Germany says it wants the EU to have an army. It calls Lisbon a start, not an end.

EUobserver.com said:
German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle has said Berlin supports the long term goal of creating a European army, which will bolster the EU's role as a global player.

Speaking on Saturday (6 February) at the Munich Security Conference, an annual gathering for high-level discussions on security and defence, Mr Westerwelle said the EU's new institutional rules, the Lisbon Treaty, are "not the end but, rather, the beginning for common security and defence policy."

"The long term goal is the establishment of a European army under full parliamentary control," he said, noting that the German government "wants to advance along this path."
EUobserver / Germany speaks out in favour of European army

While he spoke of this involving 'willing' countries his colleague in Defence is not pleased about the unanimity rule in NATO.

Derek Scally said:
His remarks at the annual Munich Security Conference followed a call by Berlin’s defence minister Karl Theodor zu Guttenberg to end what he called Nato’s “absurd” practice of unanimous decision-making.
German minister calls for Lisbon treaty EU army - The Irish Times - Mon, Feb 08, 2010

See also - http://www.politics.ie/europe/38636-eu-warships.html
 


ibis

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Well, that should excite Al, if nobody else.
 

The Field Marshal

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Guido Westerwelle is Germanys Foreign Minister.

Im posting this old German marching song composed by a relative of his.

Funnily enough its called "The Westerwald"

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-zdHMNFNM&feature=related"]YouTube- O du schöner Westerwald -Full color- ヴェスターバルトの歌[/ame]
 

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Germany says it wants the EU to have an army. It calls Lisbon a start, not an end.



EUobserver / Germany speaks out in favour of European army

While he spoke of this involving 'willing' countries his colleague in Defence is not pleased about the unanimity rule in NATO.



German minister calls for Lisbon treaty EU army - The Irish Times - Mon, Feb 08, 2010

See also - http://www.politics.ie/europe/38636-eu-warships.html

Wow! Germans want a big army...now theres a surprise!

For Germany Lisbon is a start in the same way marching into Austria in 1938 was a start.
 

louis bernard

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Germany says it wants the EU to have an army. It calls Lisbon a start, not an end.

Excellent news, will get thousands of our young men off the dole. Of course they can always join the British army if there is any delay in setting up the EU Army.
 

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the wish to use irelands youth as cannon fodder in other countries wars is a war crime in itself
 
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And? It's about time those EU states that don't have a fig leaf "neutrality" sham like we do, pool their resources and have an effective EU armed force for rapid deployment. It'll save money and prevent some of the catastrophic miscommunications that have happened in Afghanistan and other deployments.

Ireland won't and doesn't have to go along.
 

louis bernard

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the wish to use irelands youth as cannon fodder in other countries wars is a war crime in itself
Being in a real army is preferable to rotting on the dole. The economy of this country is banjaxed , there will not be any jobs for young men for the distant foreseeable future.
 

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Being in a real army is preferable to rotting on the dole. The economy of this country is banjaxed , there will not be any jobs for young men for the distant foreseeable future.
so them coming home in bodybags or wheelchairs is progress
 

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Being in a real army is preferable to rotting on the dole. The economy of this country is banjaxed , there will not be any jobs for young men for the distant foreseeable future.
Exactly as spoken around the corridors of the Reichstag in early 1933.
 

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The Germans are quite good at having a European Army....Germany,Austria,Finland,Hungary,Romania,Italy,Slovakia,Croatia all took part in Operation Barbarossa.
 

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Ok 1st of this isnt anything new
The idea of a common EU defence and army have been around since the 1950's
It was proposed by the French and later vetoed by them

Second most EU states are in Nato for better or worse and therefore military alliances arent a big deal. The only problem that arises there are the ataltaists vrs the Europeanists

In relation to Ireland
We voted under Maastricht for a common EU defence
Also Willie O Dea said we have been granted neutrality under Lisbon
Yes we have, that doesnt mean we cant change are mind

Also if you actually read the article (or post parts of it that maybe dont suit your agenda)
The article said
"Under EU rules, member states with certain military capacities and the political will to move in this direction can club together to move forward on common defence."

What ever about political will we have NO military capacities and would be of fat all use to a EU army
Also note it uses the word CAN and doesnt say "will be forced to"
 

louis bernard

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The Germans are quite good at having a European Army....Germany,Austria,Finland,Hungary,Romania,Italy,Slovakia,Croatia all took part in Operation Barbarossa.
And the Spanish blue division, and of course SS volunteers from the Netherlands, Belgium and other countries occupied by the forces of the Reich.
 

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And? It's about time those EU states that don't have a fig leaf "neutrality" sham like we do, pool their resources and have an effective EU armed force for rapid deployment. It'll save money and prevent some of the catastrophic miscommunications that have happened in Afghanistan and other deployments.

Ireland won't and doesn't have to go along.
Enough with your facts! Now is the time for everyone to say that the EU is just another way for the Germans to realise their ambition of conquering Europe! Just as the Daily Mail has told us for years!
 

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It still depresses me when I think that people fell for that Lisbon treaty because of economic scaremongering .

Europe got off to a good start, a force for good.
Now its just turning into the United States or Europe.

Power corrupts.

The British and Americans are sending in lots of kids to get slaughtered by the Taliban today, because they dont want the Taliban to have power in Afghanistan.
They want the repessive corrupt extremist Afghan government instead, who have legalised rape against women and have been accused of being worse than the Taliban.

This is the kind of stupid things military powers do when theyre looking to pick a fight, dont let Ireland be used as fodder for the elite and their war games.
If nations dont stand against war then we will all end up fighting eachother for whatever reason some drunken fat cigar smoking arshole conjures up.
 

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Enough with your facts! Now is the time for everyone to say that the EU is just another way for the Germans to realise their ambition of conquering Europe! Just as the Daily Mail has told us for years!
The EU is just another way for the Germans to realise their ambition of conquering Europe! Just as the Daily Mail has told me for years!!!!!!
 

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