EU backing down already. EU's chief BREXIT negotiator wants "special" relationship with City of London

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EU backing down already. EU's chief BREXIT negotiator wants "special" relationship with City of London

So not really a big surprise given the fragile nature of the EU economy meaning all access to capital markets needs to made as readily available as possible.

But to admit this so openly already gives the UK huge scope for manouevere once the negotiations begin.

Europe blinks over Brexit talks? Chief Brussels negotiator says
 


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Will the government's backseat driver FF will express outrage at their nEU empire superiors for going soft ? ( and thereby shoot Ireland in the foot again) ?
 

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It is fascinating how the Brexit issue is reviving slowly the old arguments about free trade and protectionism.

On the one hand the EU was founded out of globalisation of free trade and yet the only argument it has against the UK leaving is the damaging effects of protectionism and denial of access to free trade across the EU as a political consequence of a political and democratic vote to leave the EU federal project- which none of the original founders even signed up to in the first place. Certainly their citizens didn't.

On the other side the UK and trade partners within Europe want the city trade within the EU zone and will put pressure on the federalist politico's to play ball in what will be to me most likely an amended EEA based deal.

I did say on the more outraged and panicky Brexit threads that the City and its trading partners in Frankfurt and Paris will seek to pressurise EU negotiators into compromise and to me this is the start of that realisation among EU politicians that there is not a hard line on Brexit behind them from their own national business sectors.

This is what the City of London and UK negotiators should and in my opinion will exploit.
 

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Will the government's backseat driver FF will express outrage at their nEU empire superiors for going soft ? ( and thereby shoot Ireland in the foot again) ?
To be honest no one outside Merrion Street will give a flying f*ck what FF or even FG want in all this. Our Lisbon votes put us in the cheap seats on this issue around Europe.

Mind you Enda got European of the Year. So that was nice.
 

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Plenty of bluffing , lies, climb downs etc to come. Don't believe anything I hear until the deal is done
 

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Plenty of bluffing , lies, climb downs etc to come. Don't believe anything I hear until the deal is done
Yep. One political rule in play and only one: 'Resolution will be declared impossible by all commentators right up to the point where resolution is announced. At which point all commentators will scurry back to the loopholes they left in their statements of impossibility so that they can then announce they knew it all the time and that a resolution was always possible.'

That is the law of political analysis of economic negotiations.
 

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Despite being in the Remain camp, I have to deprecate some of the crap which has been coming from the EU - a lot of which has been petty and vengeful. Brexit *has* to work - for everyone's sake.

If more moderate rumblings are coming from the Continent it is good news.
 

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All the more reason to negotiate a solution which promotes stability is the answer there.
 

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The UK can live with tariffs, as can EU27.
The Brits don't care about passport controls at Belfast international or newry.
The Brits won't pay into eu budget.
An a la carte approach to eu law will apply.
10% of Brits can get Irish passports.

Is Brexit a big fuss over a few minor changes in the status quo, which can be resolved by common sense and creative thinking?
 

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Despite being in the Remain camp, I have to deprecate some of the crap which has been coming from the EU - a lot of which has been petty and vengeful. Brexit *has* to work - for everyone's sake.

If more moderate rumblings are coming from the Continent it is good news.
In fairness the UK has been every bit as vindictive and childish. There has been a parity of crap.
 

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So not really a big surprise given the fragile nature of the EU economy meaning all access to capital markets needs to made as readily available as possible.

But to admit this so openly already gives the UK huge scope for manouevere once the negotiations begin.

Europe blinks over Brexit talks? Chief Brussels negotiator says
This article is complete and utter nonsense.

A feeding frenzy of cities looking for London's banking business has already begun. Dublin, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Berlin, Paris, Hamburg, Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Madrid, Rome, Milan, Geneva, Bern, Vienna, Prague, Warsaw, Krakow, Tallin, Riga, Vilnius, Bratislava, Helsinki, Budapest, etc, are all looking for that business. Literally this is going to turn in to a feeding frenzy in which those jobs end up scattered all over Europe.

Anyone who thinks each city and country has not already set up their positions for the feeding frenzy, needs to wake up. It has already begun.

Do not be surprised if a feeding frenzy also develops for other UK sectors, particularly engineering, processor design, pharmaceuticals, medical research and other areas.
 
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It is completely about winning. A contest of nerves. If you don't think so then you have no concept of the English/French/German mindset.
At the conclusion of any successful negotiation all parties feel that they have lost.
 

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At the conclusion of any successful negotiation all parties feel that they have lost.
Wrong. At the conclusion of any successful negotiation all parties feel that they have gained substantial ground. Therein lies the problem with both the Neoliberals and the feminists. Neither group have any concept whatsoever of win/win. Not in their Vade-mecum. They will take it to hell. Win and only win at any and all costs.

Go on! think about that for a while.
 


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