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EU draws line on difference between e-bike and motorbike


Al.

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Auditors have not signed off on any EU spending for 18 years in a row, and yet the EU still finds time for niggling micromanaging such as this, vocally supported by self-described cycling "associations". I'm certainly glad to hear that anything over 0.335 horsepower and can go over 16 mph is officially a motorbike...should I put on a leather jacket too? Ride to live, live to ride and all that...?

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The European Parliament has voted to separate regulation on motorised and non-motorised bicycles, a move two-wheeler associations say will safeguard investment in cycling.

In the plenary session, European lawmakers decided on Tuesday (20 November) that any electronically power assisted cycle (EPAC) under 250 watts and a maximum speed of 25 kilometres per hour would remain a bicycle.

Anything more powerful is considered a motorbike, in line with the European Commission’s original proposal.

Ceri Woolsgrove, road safety officer for the European Cyclists’ Federation (ECF), said: “We need a clear border line between what a bicycle is and what exceeds the definition of a ‘bicycle’.” ...
 

TommyO'Brien

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Oh yippee. This week's nutty paranoid EU thread by Al!

Get help.
 

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Auditors have not signed off on any EU spending for 18 years in a row, and yet the EU still finds time for niggling micromanaging such as this, vocally supported by self-described cycling "associations". I'm certainly glad to hear that anything over 0.335 horsepower and can go over 16 mph is officially a motorbike...should I put on a leather jacket too? Ride to live, live to ride and all that...?

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do you even lift?
 

cottage_economist

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That's not as daft as it sounds. This means that an e-bike can be ridden under the same conditions as a bicycle, that is no tax, insurance, helmet and, presumably, no bother about drink driving laws. All handy to know if you have an e-bike.
 

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250w is nothing, limit should be at least 500w with no 'pedelec' requirement. A child could push more than 250w down onto a pedal.
 

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That's not as daft as it sounds. This means that an e-bike can be ridden under the same conditions as a bicycle, that is no tax, insurance, helmet and, presumably, no bother about drink driving laws. All handy to know if you have an e-bike.
It is completely daft.

What ever happened to the principle of derogation that is supposed to be the guiding principle of EU regulation?
 

agamemnon

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That's not as daft as it sounds. This means that an e-bike can be ridden under the same conditions as a bicycle, that is no tax, insurance, helmet and, presumably, no bother about drink driving laws. All handy to know if you have an e-bike.
...also no need to obey any of the rules of the road including traffic lights, one way streets, driving on footpaths etc.
 

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It is completely daft.

What ever happened to the principle of derogation that is supposed to be the guiding principle of EU regulation?
...subsidiarity, and a guiding principle. Are e-bikes somehow different in Ireland and Malta?
 

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250w is actually plenty, a third of a horsepower in old money. I doubt if a child could keep up that sort of output except for a very short burst.

Trainwreck could you explain what you mean by derogation as I can't find a meaning that seems to fit the context.

And cyclists do have to obey traffic laws, it's all in the highway code, and most of us do. Those who don't could and should be prosecuted. Don't confuse the lack of enforcement with the lack of legislation.
 

Dankoozy

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250w is actually plenty, a third of a horsepower in old money. I doubt if a child could keep up that sort of output except for a very short burst.

Trainwreck could you explain what you mean by derogation as I can't find a meaning that seems to fit the context.

And cyclists do have to obey traffic laws, it's all in the highway code, and most of us do. Those who don't could and should be prosecuted. Don't confuse the lack of enforcement with the lack of legislation.
250W won't get you up a lot of hills. I had a motorised bicycle before (petrol) with a full horsepower and it struggled with many hills. The daftest requirement of all is the 'pedelec' - forces you to move your legs for no reason. If our EU overlords were serious about alternative modes of transport like this they wouldn't be trying to cripple them in such a way.
 

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Auditors have not signed off on any EU spending for 18 years in a row, and yet the EU still finds time for niggling micromanaging such as this, vocally supported by self-described cycling "associations". I'm certainly glad to hear that anything over 0.335 horsepower and can go over 16 mph is officially a motorbike...should I put on a leather jacket too? Ride to live, live to ride and all that...?

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another small step to take money from people. tax and insurance for bicycles soon to happen?
 

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Thought of buying an electric bicycle, but they are so expensive..........minimum Euros 500.......and upwards !
 

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Sounds like you had one of the old mopeds, the definition of which was a "motor assisted pedal cycle". You would often see riders having to help the motor with the pedal up hills, an e-bike rider would have to do likewise and accept the inconvenience as a trade-off against the undoubted benefits. You would still ascend the hill more quickly than if riding an ordinary pedal bike and providing all of the power yourself though.

Completely agree with your comment regarding the pedelec requirement though, can't see the point of that at all. It just means that an e-bike would be of no use to anyone unable to pedal for some medical reason. Mightn't be too difficult to bypass the pedelec circuitry though ..... just pretend to pedal if the Gardai are taking an interest!
 

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another small step to take money from people. tax and insurance for bicycles soon to happen?
Tax.... tax.... Oooooo buddy, you just gave Endo and Co an idea. and it aint even march.:p
SwK
 

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This is good news- this is the EU exempting something from regulation.
 

cimon9999

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My ebike has a 250 w motor and gets to 25 km/h. I can go significantly faster on an ordinary bike. Also the maintenance on my ebike has been quite expensive. Thinking about reverting to the traditional bike!
 

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My ebike has a 250 w motor and gets to 25 km/h. I can go significantly faster on an ordinary bike. Also the maintenance on my ebike has been quite expensive. Thinking about reverting to the traditional bike!
But how long could you keep going at 25 kph? I'd say for most people who aren't sports cyclists 250W represents a doubling of power.
 

cottage_economist

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Googling around it seems that most non sports cyclists would top out around the 200W mark, taken over an hour.
 

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That's not as daft as it sounds. This means that an e-bike can be ridden under the same conditions as a bicycle, that is no tax, insurance, helmet and, presumably, no bother about drink driving laws. All handy to know if you have an e-bike.
Knock down somone with your e-bike (even a push bike as well) then you will know how important insurance is. Just because all those mentioned are not legally required the Compo culture is still alive and well and always looking out for the next present.
 
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