EU no deal plans - whats going to happen?


SPN

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Some more reality which Recedite and others of a gullible persuasion might choose to reflect on.

˜Managed no deal"? That's just more Brexit snake oil | Anand Menon | Opinion | The Guardian

"Of course the EU has much to lose from no deal. But both sides know, and have known all along, who has more to lose. As we get closer to 29 March – and even more so, in the weeks after, as reality bites – our negotiating position becomes weaker, not stronger. Our basic choices and trade-offs will not have fundamentally changed – they will just have become even more constrained. So while the snake-oil salesmen have repeatedly reformulated their product, it’s still not a cure for the UK’s current woes."
 

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That maybe true but the problem will be that according to last weeks polling, a substantial majority of brexiteers would rather have WTO than a back stop deal that is not expressly time limited, if it is time limited May's deal may go through but then the risk is that the brits simply run down the clock on on it.
It's not just Brexiters who have a say in this. A majority in the HoC clearly don't want WTO terms and moves are now afoot to prevent it.

To further complicate matters, even if a backstop deal is agreed in some form, my understanding is that all people born on the island of Ireland, have the right to be Irish, British or both. In the even of an agreement and a soft border, how will the RoI know whether the people crossing the border are Irish, British or Both rather than anybody who came to the UK on any form of visa if there are no checks done on people coming into the RoI? I suppose that is true now, but at the moment they would be coming from one EU entity to another so less of problem, what happens in future I am not sure.
That has been the case for 97 years and hasn't ever created any significant problems, and we are assured that the CTA will not alter after Brexit. So it isn't an issue, particularly on a small island.
 

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It's not just Brexiters who have a say in this. A majority in the HoC clearly don't want WTO terms and moves are now afoot to prevent it.



That has been the case for 97 years and hasn't ever created any significant problems, and we are assured that the CTA will not alter after Brexit. So it isn't an issue, particularly on a small island.


Is it really possible, after all these thousands of comments/threads/fights and rows.......this Brexit thing ain't gonna happen?
 

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Is it really possible, after all these thousands of comments/threads/fights and rows.......this Brexit thing ain't gonna happen?
Not sure Mickey but a journalist on one of the Sunday morning TV politics shows where he discussed the background moves by MPs aimed at stopping a "no deal" scenario. They are going to have to work fast though.
 

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Some more reality which Recedite and others of a gullible persuasion might choose to reflect on.

˜Managed no deal"? That's just more Brexit snake oil | Anand Menon | Opinion | The Guardian

"Of course the EU has much to lose from no deal. But both sides know, and have known all along, who has more to lose. As we get closer to 29 March – and even more so, in the weeks after, as reality bites – our negotiating position becomes weaker, not stronger. Our basic choices and trade-offs will not have fundamentally changed – they will just have become even more constrained. So while the snake-oil salesmen have repeatedly reformulated their product, it’s still not a cure for the UK’s current woes."
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I agree totally with that reality; a No Deal Brexit will be a bad outcome for RoI, and of course there would be a hard border. Brussels would order Leo to install it to the usual EU external border spec.

The UK parliament are now engaging in a series of pointless votes. They have established that a majority oppose a No Deal Brexit. But there is no majority for any other proposal. A majority being against something is useless. What are they going to support? Nothing.

It seems the majority still oppose PM Mays Withdrawal Deal. They have passed another pointless vote today asking her to come back with Plan B within 3 days, in the event that they themselves scupper her plan.
They have no idea what this Plan B could be (other than the default option of a No Deal Brexit), and neither has she.

It seems the only person who can make the WA plan passable in Westminster is our own Leo Varadkar. All he has to do is repudiate the Backstop. And hey presto... soft Brexit instead of hard Brexit. With a 2 year transition period of absolutely no change to the status quo.

But right now, Leo is off enjoying himself on the horn of Africa.
Like Nero, fiddling with his fiddle.
 
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