EU reject Italian budget draft

mr_anderson

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by 2050 italy is going to look like an old folks home

Italy - median age of the population 1950-2050 | Statistic

I'm failing to see the negatives.

The planet needs fewer people on it. Certainly the population growth cannot continue.
So at some point there's going to be a little fiduciary pain as one generation is less numerous than it's predecessor.

The industrial revolution needed workers for factories.
However, whilst this tech revolution needs well educated people for R&D, on the other side of the coin it's resulting in mass replacement.
This revolution needs fewer people.
 


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I'm failing to see the negatives.

The planet needs fewer people on it. Certainly the population growth cannot continue.
So at some point there's going to be a little fiduciary pain as one generation is less numerous than it's predecessor.

The industrial revolution needed workers for factories.
However, whilst this tech revolution needs well educated people for R&D, on the other side of the coin it's resulting in mass replacement.
This revolution needs fewer people.
The politicians want a bigger population so they can have a bigger Pie to Slice up . Business wants cheap labour and the Politicians are only too happy to oblige regardless of any affects on their own People .
 

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The Germans just can’t help themselves . They are due another good thrashing .
What is it about German Chancellors in particular and their need to constantly mess with Europe ?
They just can't help themselves.
It's as if there's an inner domination gene which makes them genetically predispositioned to spread their will beyond their borders.

Whenever Europe is plunged into chaos, Germany is always at the centre of it.
 

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What is it about German Chancellors in particular and their need to constantly mess with Europe ?
They just can't help themselves.
It's as if there's an inner domination gene which makes them genetically predispositioned to spread their will beyond their borders.

Whenever Europe is plunged into chaos, Germany is always at the centre of it.
Historically it was the long good summers in Central Europe . They just had too much time on their hands in the Summer . Not so good in the Russian winter mind . They can’t seem to think ahead i.e. The Russian Winter comes around after Autumn . They seem to have a planning problem .
 

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The politicians want a bigger population so they can have a bigger Pie to Slice up . Business wants cheap labour and the Politicians are only too happy to oblige regardless of any affects on their own People .

I've always argued against the cheap labour argument.
Most countries have minimum wage laws, so there's a limit on how 'cheap' labour can be.
Furthermore, there's also no shortage of cheap labour.
The labour shortage is in the higher-end categories, such as medicine and IT.

But most importantly, the vast majority of the migrants arriving from Africa and the middle east are wholly ill-equipped to work at all, cheap or not.
65% are illiterate.
Ausbildung: Viele Flüchtlinge sind „im Grunde Analphabeten“ - WELT

That's not a source of cheap labour.
It's only a source of lifetime social welfare recipients.

Even the 35% not deemed illiterate, how educated are they ?
Someone who can read a ladybird book is not illiterate, but can also be a million miles away from any productive labour.

It doesn't stack up.
 

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I've always argued against the cheap labour argument.
Most countries have minimum wage laws, so there's a limit on how 'cheap' labour can be.
Furthermore, there's also no shortage of cheap labour.
The labour shortage is in the higher-end categories, such as medicine and IT.

But most importantly, the vast majority of the migrants arriving from Africa and the middle east are wholly ill-equipped to work at all, cheap or not.
65% are illiterate.
Ausbildung: Viele Flüchtlinge sind „im Grunde Analphabeten“ - WELT

That's not a source of cheap labour.
It's only a source of lifetime social welfare recipients.

Even the 35% not deemed illiterate, how educated are they ?
Someone who can read a ladybird book is not illiterate, but can also be a million miles away from any productive labour.

It doesn't stack up.
If you let in Black people then you can always shout Racism when People are against any of your policies . Racist ! ! !
 

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I'm failing to see the negatives.

The planet needs fewer people on it. Certainly the population growth cannot continue.
So at some point there's going to be a little fiduciary pain as one generation is less numerous than it's predecessor.

The industrial revolution needed workers for factories.
However, whilst this tech revolution needs well educated people for R&D, on the other side of the coin it's resulting in mass replacement.
This revolution needs fewer people.
it just means italy will default unless growth can be much higher with a declining population. japan are planning right, chances are lilly livered italian politicians arent. Europe was very creative in the 16th through 19th century, lower populations shouldnt be feared, its better for people
 

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The British decided very wisely that the Euro is not for them . That was a very good decision . I wonder will the Germans be able to push the Italians around or will the Italians assert their National Sovereignty . Those Germans can get very pushy if they are not minded .
They decided based on how they perceived their own interests. As did the countries who joined. Your net point is nugatory.

As things stand, it is the Italians who are trying to push their Eurozone partners around, in breach of treaty obligations. The Italian people broadly, and over time, support the EU and the Euro, so ‘sovereignty’ doesn’t come into it on these issues. So, unsurprisingly, your net points here are also nugatory.
 

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They decided based on how they perceived their own interests. As did the countries who joined. Your net point is nugatory.

As things stand, it is the Italians who are trying to push their Eurozone partners around, in breach of treaty obligations. The Italian people broadly, and over time, support the EU and the Euro, so ‘sovereignty’ doesn’t come into it on these issues. So, unsurprisingly, your net points here are also nugatory.
Will the Eu Ask / Order Italy to absent itself from the Eu and the Euro . After all they had the Cheek to Elect politicians not acceptable to the Eu .

To lose one big country would be unfortunate . To lose Two would be downright Careless . To quote some one , was it Oscar Wilde ?
 

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Will the Eu Ask / Order Italy to absent itself from the Eu and the Euro . After all they had the Cheek to Elect politicians not acceptable to the Eu .

To lose one big country would be unfortunate . To lose Two would be downright Careless . To quote some one , was it Oscar Wilde ?
Why would they? Less than a quarter of Italians want to leave the EU. The Italians are likelier to change their government than leave. What would be best for all concerned would be for the Italians to get a grip on their economy.

PS: the UK hasn’t left the EU yet, so don’t count your chickens. There could be a second referendum, with an entirely different result. A recent poll reported only a third would vote ‘Leave’ now.
 

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I've always argued against the cheap labour argument.
Most countries have minimum wage laws, so there's a limit on how 'cheap' labour can be.
Furthermore, there's also no shortage of cheap labour.
The labour shortage is in the higher-end categories, such as medicine and IT.

But most importantly, the vast majority of the migrants arriving from Africa and the middle east are wholly ill-equipped to work at all, cheap or not.
65% are illiterate.
Ausbildung: Viele Flüchtlinge sind „im Grunde Analphabeten“ - WELT

That's not a source of cheap labour.
It's only a source of lifetime social welfare recipients.

Even the 35% not deemed illiterate, how educated are they ?
Someone who can read a ladybird book is not illiterate, but can also be a million miles away from any productive labour.

It doesn't stack up.
Yes, something sure does look askew.
Considering that 47.5% of African immigrants to Ireland claim to have a 3rd level qualification, it would look like they’re not in subjects that require literacy of any kind. Or numeracy.
(https://www.esri.ie/pubs/BKMNEXT364.pdf)

Perhaps Ireland really is different. (tm)
 

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It looks like the standoff may be coming to an end.

Italy budget: Rome set to back down in EU row - BBC News
An extremely misleading headline probably deliberately so. The very first sentence from the link is.............
Italy's government says it will stick to its high-spending budget plans, setting up a potential stand-off with the European Union over its deficit.
and goes on....................

Deputy Prime Minister Luigi Di Maio suggested the government might be willing to reduce the deficit target to end the stand-off with the EU saying: "If, during the negotiating process, the deficit has to be reduced a bit, that's not a big deal."
But in a joint statement later on Monday, the three men appeared to take a tougher line, saying: "The objectives that have already been fixed are confirmed."
 

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An extremely misleading headline probably deliberately so.
It's at the very least jumping the gun. Negotiations will result in compromise e.g. 0.1, 0.2%, enough for both sides to save face.

But why would a news org from a non-Eurozone, EU-exiting country deliberately claim an EU victory?
 

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