EU ruling: Italian ban on GMO maize not lawful

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EU rules Italian ban on GMO crop unlawful

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Europe’s top court ruled on Wednesday that Italy had been wrong to ban cultivation of an EU-approved genetically modified (GMO) maize as it had failed to show there was a serious risk to public health or the environment.

The European Union approved use of the GMO maize, Monsanto’s MON 810 in 1998, but the Italian government asked the European Commission in 2013 to ban it after two Italian scientific studies questioned its safety.​

‘GM seed choice shouldn’t be dictated’: Italian farmers question EU court ruling on Monsanto corn

“These crops are forbidden because we still do not understand what the consequences are. So far, there has been no proper and in-depth research. For this reason, we do not know in five years, ten years, twenty years, what can happen,” Mauro Uniformi, Vice President of the Association of Agronomist and Forest Doctors, told RT.

The court [...] says that it cannot approve of emergency measures prohibiting MON 810 on the “basis of the precautionary principle” unless there is a direct health risk.​

Should Italy be able to decide for itself whether or not to allow use of the GMO maize, on Italian soil?

Should it be able to do so on the basis of the precautionary principle?
 


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Don't think Europeans can look at yanks as ignorant crackpots when it comes to their climate change denial, while at the same time ignore the vast bulk of scientists who say that a ban on GMO is irrational.
 

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Yet again, Surkov didnt read the case. An Italian farmer chose to plant genetically modified corn from seeds the EU had ruled were safe as far back as 1998.

In the mean time, Italy had used emergency legislation to ban all GMO maiz on the grounds that it was dangerous to animals and the environment.

The Italian farmer appealed the decision and the EU ruled that this emergency legislation could only be used where there was compelling scientific evidence of a real threat, and there wasnt any.

The EU itself had ruled these particular seeds were not dangerous 20 years ago, and since then had seen no reason to revise that judgement.
 

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It's more to do with monopolisation than anything else.
 

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Should Italy be able to decide for itself whether or not to allow use of the GMO maize, on Italian soil?
No. We have a free market. This is part of being in a free market.

Should it be able to do so on the basis of the precautionary principle?
Yes if it was valid. It's not here. Uniformi's point is that we don't know what can happen after 20 years. GM maize has been used for over 20 years. The results are that it's no more dangerous than any other sort.
 

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Yet another instance of the EU steam rolling over the will of a nation. If the Italian government don't want GM crops then they should be free to ban the use of GM crops. I don't want to eat GM food eventually we won't have a choice in it.
Thats what Surkov wants you to think. Its another EU bashing thread. National govts already have the right to ban GMO crops on a case by case basis using the opt out mechanism. Italy did not do that.

The EU is one of the biggest importers of GMO in animal feed products. You are eating it already, mate.
 

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Yet another chip off the sovereignty of a nation state by a political court. Italy should be entitled to ban Frankenstein food to maintain public confidence (even if the science, so far, says it is safe).
 

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Who should ultimately determine / decide on whether or not it's valid?
In a free trade and movement arena? The governing body of that arena.

You could make this argument about literally anything. France could say they don't know what the new model of Fiat will do in 20 years, so they're not going to allow them into the country. It's exactly the same logic.
 

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EU rules Italian ban on GMO crop unlawful

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Europe’s top court ruled on Wednesday that Italy had been wrong to ban cultivation of an EU-approved genetically modified (GMO) maize as it had failed to show there was a serious risk to public health or the environment.

The European Union approved use of the GMO maize, Monsanto’s MON 810 in 1998, but the Italian government asked the European Commission in 2013 to ban it after two Italian scientific studies questioned its safety.​

‘GM seed choice shouldn’t be dictated’: Italian farmers question EU court ruling on Monsanto corn

“These crops are forbidden because we still do not understand what the consequences are. So far, there has been no proper and in-depth research. For this reason, we do not know in five years, ten years, twenty years, what can happen,” Mauro Uniformi, Vice President of the Association of Agronomist and Forest Doctors, told RT.

The court [...] says that it cannot approve of emergency measures prohibiting MON 810 on the “basis of the precautionary principle” unless there is a direct health risk.​

Should Italy be able to decide for itself whether or not to allow use of the GMO maize, on Italian soil?

Should it be able to do so on the basis of the precautionary principle?
Italy should ban the sick EU.
 

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Yet another chip off the sovereignty of a nation state by a political court. Italy should be entitled to ban Frankenstein food to maintain public confidence (even if the science, so far, says it is safe).
Except they agreed to juridiction of the court by agreeing to join the EU
 

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In a free trade and movement arena? The governing body of that arena.

You could make this argument about literally anything. France could say they don't know what the new model of Fiat will do in 20 years, so they're not going to allow them into the country. It's exactly the same logic.
Bans almost always run counter to the advice of independent scientific bodies in the countries where they are implemented and the EU does permit countries to opt out of GM crops on a case by case basis.

Basically, if a European country decided that apples were the Devils Nose-Droppings, then would they be able to say they are banned from sale or importation or cultivation in this country which is a member of the Single Market?

Of course not.
 

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Well in your confusion, Surkov, you dont seem to realise the EU is supporting the right of an individual, the Italian farmer here, to pursue his lawful business.

But then your idea of "sovereignity" is the sheer brute power of the nation state to impose itself on the individual. While claiming that is what the EU does. petunia
 

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Conversely, could your position be used to make an argument to allow anything?
No. Fiat have a decades long reputation and their cars are tested to EU standards before being rolled out. Same thing for GM crops.
 

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In a free trade and movement arena? The governing body of that arena.

You could make this argument about literally anything. France could say they don't know what the new model of Fiat will do in 20 years, so they're not going to allow them into the country. It's exactly the same logic.
So, according to your position, the 'governing body' of a 'free trade and movement arena' could ban e.g. the new model of Fiat, by deciding on and applying the precautionary principle.

Hmmm.
 

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Except they agreed to juridiction of the court by agreeing to join the EU
We used to accept the juridiction of the British courts in this part of Ireland until the treaty. Did that make British courts making decisions for us ok? Should we just accept the British courts as legitimate while we are at it? Fck Irish sovereignty after all.
 

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Don't think Europeans can look at yanks as ignorant crackpots when it comes to their climate change denial, while at the same time ignore the vast bulk of scientists who say that a ban on GMO is irrational.
GMO is a generic term, but each GM seed type uses different tecniques and different inserted GM material.

MON 810 is designed to express Bt in every cell of every plant.

There are a number of problems with MON 810, but the build up of resistance in pests is probably the most straightforward and easily understood.

I have spoken to a number of geneticists and Genetic Engineers. GM is a fantastic technology which has huge potential for specific applications, but not when it is allowed grow in the wild and crossbreed.
 


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