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EU set to ban hand rolling tobacco.


myksav

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Apparently, the EU have legislation in train to ban menthol and vanilla flavoured cigarettes and hand rolling tobacco.
Heard this on the Late Debate at the start of anti-smoking segment, just after the Shatter debacle segment.

EUROPA - PRESS RELEASES - Press Release - Questions and answers: Towards a new EU law on Tobacco Products

What is the main content of the revision?

The proposal foresees major revisions of the current Directive. It addresses in particular the following areas and provisions:

Ingredients: A harmonised electronic reporting format for ingredients and emissions will be introduced. The proposal foresees a prohibition for cigarettes, roll your own (RYO) tobacco and smokeless tobacco products with characterising flavours and a prohibition of products with additives which increase its toxicity and addictiveness.
See also: Taoiseach holds formal talks with tobacco industry - Irish News, World News & More | The Irish Times - Thu, May 23, 2013

However, the industry figures also called on the Government to reject proposals in a draft EU tobacco directive to ban menthol and roll-your-own products.
A brilliant idea. :roll:
What a brilliant idea, force those who smoke hand rolling tobacco (which contains no additives) to smoke ready-made cigarettes (which are full of additives).

Ready-made cigarettes are much more expensive than rolling tobacco.
Ready-made cigarettes contain dozens of added chemicals which are known to be carcinogenic in large* doses, rolling tobacco do not contain these chemicals.
Ready-made cigarettes have a filter which is not biodegradable so is a long term litter/pollutant, particularly as the filter will also contain chemicals from the tobacco.

On a personal level, the smell and taste of a ready-made cigarette is foul and bitter with no difference between brands. Rolling tobacco smells of tobacco, not chemicals. Some have a pleasant smell from the smoke, some not pleasant but it doesn't stink.

*large in toxicological terms.
 

stopdoingstuff

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These mofos think there is no limits to their power. To even consider something like that is an outrage.
 

dizillusioned

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I am surprised they haven't sorted the "proper way to wipe your ass" directive yet.
 

twokidsmanybruises

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Rolling tobacco is neither cool nor sexy. There's less branding, more fiddliness, it's all a bit DIY and it's much more likely to stain your fingers to something not dissimiliar to jaundice.

In short, rolling tobacco is the preserve of hardened smokers rather than of prospective r new smokers.

Surely it'd make sense to ban packaged cigarettes and keep rolling tobacco for the addicts.

A little bit more seriously; banning rolling tobacco within the EU will just give more incentive to smugglers to up their game.
 

benroe

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Apparently, the EU have legislation in train to ban menthol and vanilla flavoured cigarettes and hand rolling tobacco.
Heard this on the Late Debate at the start of anti-smoking segment, just after the Shatter debacle segment.

EUROPA - PRESS RELEASES - Press Release - Questions and answers: Towards a new EU law on Tobacco Products



See also: Taoiseach holds formal talks with tobacco industry - Irish News, World News & More | The Irish Times - Thu, May 23, 2013



A brilliant idea. :roll:
What a brilliant idea, force those who smoke hand rolling tobacco (which contains no additives) to smoke ready-made cigarettes (which are full of additives).

Ready-made cigarettes are much more expensive than rolling tobacco.
Ready-made cigarettes contain dozens of added chemicals which are known to be carcinogenic in large* doses, rolling tobacco do not contain these chemicals.
Ready-made cigarettes have a filter which is not biodegradable so is a long term litter/pollutant, particularly as the filter will also contain chemicals from the tobacco.

On a personal level, the smell and taste of a ready-made cigarette is foul and bitter with no difference between brands. Rolling tobacco smells of tobacco, not chemicals. Some have a pleasant smell from the smoke, some not pleasant but it doesn't stink.

*large in toxicological terms.
Bet ya Enda will use it as a pretext to raising tax on these products.
 

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From my cold, dead, yellowing hands.
If they mess with your baccy a chara, will you set Garryowen on them? I hope he rips those bureaucrats big, sore new ones.
 

untold_story

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That is outrageous but hilarious.

Look at the (E)U-Turn jst pulled with regard to the Olive Oil, can't see it happening.
 

chriskavo

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Another good reason to give this filthy habit up!
 

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neiphin

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Very few paying E19.50 for 50 grams.
A tenner a pop on the streets,at the markets and in the housing estates.
€48 in the canaries
 

Porkypie

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Well! we had the misshaped bananas, then the olive oil and now the working man's only affordable habit. Sausages will be next.
 

ibis

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The EU could perhaps do with measures to raise reading skills in adults:

The proposal foresees a prohibition for cigarettes, roll your own (RYO) tobacco and smokeless tobacco products with characterising flavours and a prohibition of products with additives which increase its toxicity and addictiveness.
That's not a prohibition on rolling tobacco, but a prohibition on flavoured smokes including rolling tobacco.
 

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[video=youtube;Zu6KXj-vtl8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu6KXj-vtl8[/video]
 

twokidsmanybruises

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The EU could perhaps do with measures to raise reading skills in adults:



That's not a prohibition on rolling tobacco, but a prohibition on flavoured smokes including rolling tobacco.
No, the original sentence was a badly constructed sentence. ( sorry, no multi quote ). It is not clear whether it is flavoured tobacco products, including rolling tobacco that is favoured, or if it means flavoured tobacco products AND rolling tobacco. An Oxford comma or a semi-colon wouldn't have gone astray.
 

ibis

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No, the original sentence was a badly constructed sentence. ( sorry, no multi quote ). It is not clear whether it is flavoured tobacco products, including rolling tobacco that is favoured, or if it means flavoured tobacco products AND rolling tobacco. An Oxford comma or a semi-colon wouldn't have gone astray.
It's a bureaucratically structured sentence, I guess, but if one construed the sentence as meaning a ban on rolling tobacco, it would then also contain the rather bigger news that cigarettes were being totally banned too, which is clearly not the case:

The proposal foresees a prohibition for cigarettes, roll your own (RYO) tobacco and smokeless tobacco products with characterising flavours and a prohibition of products with additives which increase its toxicity and addictiveness.
In this case, there's a comma between "cigarettes" and the clause containing "with characterising flavours", but there's no comma between "roll your own tobacco" and "with characterising flavours", so it's not possible to put a construction on it that produces a blanket ban on rolling tobacco without also creating a blanket ban on cigarettes. The most reasonable construction is that all the listed items are banned only with the qualification "with characterising flavours", and that is in fact clarified further down the page:

Will the new law ban flavourings – like menthol – and other ingredients?

The proposal will not ban specific flavourings but prohibits tobacco products with a so-called characterising flavour, including menthol. Concretely, menthol in small quantities can be used, but not in large quantities, which give the tobacco product a distinguishable flavour other than tobacco. Test panels will assist the Member States and the Commission to decide whether or not a product has such a characterising flavour. Additives which are necessary for the manufacture of tobacco products can continue to be used. This includes sugar. The proposal does not discriminate between tobacco varieties such as Virginia, Burley or Oriental tobacco.
Admittedly, I'm currently doing natural language processing, but I don't think you can come to the OP's dramatisation without badly misconstruing the sentence. Also, love the idea of "test panels" - lots of things being decided in smoke-filled rooms there.
 
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It says the directive foresees the prohibition of cigarettes. Feck that. I may be a Europhile but even this is a step too far. Bstards.
 
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