EU to suspend Poland's voting rights

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Moves afoot in the global bastion of democracy to disenfranchise Polish citizens:

Poland could be stripped of EU voting rights after abolishing judiciary's independence | The Independent


Not for the first time, EU grandees don't like the actions of a democratically elected and fully accountable government. So they are threatening to place them under direct rule from the EU - officially suspending even the façade of Polish self determination inside a non-Democratic EU.

That would mean, even their nominal say in the formulation of laws that they are required to abide by. Take heart Polish citizens. Your rights under Article 50 cannot be suspended.
 


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Moves afoot in the global bastion of democracy to disenfranchise Polish citizens:

Poland could be stripped of EU voting rights after abolishing judiciary's independence | The Independent


Not for the first time, EU grandees don't like the actions of a democratically elected and fully accountable government. So they are threatening to place them under direct rule from the EU - officially suspending even the façade of Polish self determination inside a non-Democratic EU.

That would mean, even their nominal say in the formulation of laws that they are required to abide by. Take heart Polish citizens. Your rights under Article 50 cannot be suspended.
Judicial independence and the separation of powers are fundamental precepts of democracy. Should moves by PiS that delimit that be simply accepted?
 
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Moves afoot in the global bastion of democracy to disenfranchise Polish citizens:

Poland could be stripped of EU voting rights after abolishing judiciary's independence | The Independent


Not for the first time, EU grandees don't like the actions of a democratically elected and fully accountable government. So they are threatening to place them under direct rule from the EU - officially suspending even the façade of Polish self determination inside a non-Democratic EU.

That would mean, even their nominal say in the formulation of laws that they are required to abide by. Take heart Polish citizens. Your rights under Article 50 cannot be suspended.
Separation of political and judicial systems is important.

It's part of the conditions of EU membership.

If a nation wishes to abandon this principle then yeah... consequences should be expected.

It's mad really... and not unlike what's going on on the UK... all those whingers about malcontents and traitors who have the audacity to want Westminster to have a vote on the final Brexit deal...

Move away from that to where hardline Brexiteers seem to want to move and you move towards Putin and authoritarianism...

And if it was Corbyn who was trying to do likewise the same hypocrites would be going ape sh!t.
 

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Moves afoot in the global bastion of democracy to disenfranchise Polish citizens:

Poland could be stripped of EU voting rights after abolishing judiciary's independence | The Independent


Not for the first time, EU grandees don't like the actions of a democratically elected and fully accountable government. So they are threatening to place them under direct rule from the EU - officially suspending even the façade of Polish self determination inside a non-Democratic EU.

That would mean, even their nominal say in the formulation of laws that they are required to abide by. Take heart Polish citizens. Your rights under Article 50 cannot be suspended.
I must have missed the bit where they were forced to join the EU against their own will , forced to travel and work and live in various countries and forced to accept EU investment in their country.

Polish citizens have a lot more to fear from their own politicians as regards the future of democracy in their country
 

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The story in the OP dates from July 2017. Key quote from the article:

Only if they decide Warsaw did not heed their calls could they move to imposing sanctions. This would need the unanimity of all other EU states. Warsaw's eurosceptic, nationalist ally Hungary has made clear it would block such a move.
 

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Moves afoot in the global bastion of democracy to disenfranchise Polish citizens:

Poland could be stripped of EU voting rights after abolishing judiciary's independence | The Independent


Not for the first time, EU grandees don't like the actions of a democratically elected and fully accountable government. So they are threatening to place them under direct rule from the EU - officially suspending even the façade of Polish self determination inside a non-Democratic EU.

That would mean, even their nominal say in the formulation of laws that they are required to abide by. Take heart Polish citizens. Your rights under Article 50 cannot be suspended.
This is excellent News!:cool:

Hopefully the Polish People will realise that the EU is an Empire in the making

- ruled from Berlin

- and will decide to do an Polexit :cool:
 

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There are serious and legitimate concerns about whats going on with the judiciary, in particularly the court-packing plan.
 

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There are serious and legitimate concerns about whats going on with the judiciary, in particularly the court-packing plan.
Call me a backward classical liberal, but that should be for the Polish people to determine, no?
 

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Call me a backward classical liberal, but that should be for the Polish people to determine, no?
But they have been recipients of €15 from the EU in 2011-15 (albeit now net contributors). Im a critic of the EU on immigration but a remainer for now, and have praised Poland opposition to the immigration plan. Part of me suspects suspending their votes is part of an attempt to force the Syrian relocation plan through. But the EU has to draw a line in the sand when it comes to meddling with the separation of powers between judiciary and government.

 

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Responses as predicted.

Leftard Euroweenies: "We don't care what the Polish people accept or want. We know best and they can do what we bloody well say."


When the current Polish government suspends the democratic rights of the Polish people, you might have the start of an argument why the EUrocracy might get involved.

Until then, it is just anti-democratic. But, as typical with all things EU, they give it the opposite name to what it actually is. "Free trade" in EU-speak, is anything but free trade.

As in this case "Protecting Demomcracy" in EU-speak is anything but protecting democracy.
 

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How should the EU respond? this is, as another poster said, driving a truck through though the rules of membership. When you go to your local strip club and get told to 'not touch the Polish girls', as a condition of entry, what happens when you do?
 

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I can see the Poles as the next ones out of the EU they have a lot more experience than most of Europe when it comes to dealing with Germans and their controversial controlling nature.
 

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How should the EU respond? this is, as another poster said, driving a truck through though the rules of membership. When you go to your local strip club and get told to 'not touch the Polish girls', as a condition of entry, what happens when you do?
The EU should simply remind Poland of the rules.

Poland can abide by any rules, or leave the EU. Simple.
 

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I can see the Poles as the next ones out of the EU they have a lot more experience than most of Europe when it comes to dealing with Germans and their controversial controlling nature.
They've a lot more recent experience with Russia too...
 

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The Poles are being punished for having the audacity to stand up for themselves they or anyone else may not even have to leave the EU because the EU is doing such a spectacular job of ensuring its own future implosion.
 

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The Poles are being punished for having the audacity to stand up for themselves they or anyone else may not even have to leave the EU because the EU is doing such a spectacular job of ensuring its own future implosion.
If the EU implodes grand...

Something else will emerge out of it... something more sensible, less intrusive and less bloated...

It will help to be a part of that (if we wish to be) if we're in the EU when it implodes... which we may as well be as all of Europe and beyond will be adversely affected by the EU's implosion whether they're members or not.
 

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Moves afoot in the global bastion of democracy to disenfranchise Polish citizens:

Poland could be stripped of EU voting rights after abolishing judiciary's independence | The Independent


Not for the first time, EU grandees don't like the actions of a democratically elected and fully accountable government. So they are threatening to place them under direct rule from the EU - officially suspending even the façade of Polish self determination inside a non-Democratic EU.

That would mean, even their nominal say in the formulation of laws that they are required to abide by. Take heart Polish citizens. Your rights under Article 50 cannot be suspended.
Where to begin.

Not for the first time,
It would actually be the first time that Article 7 has been used.

EU grandees don't like the actions of a democratically elected and fully accountable government.
Nothing to do with 'EU grandees' not liking Poland's actions. It's about a possible decision by the Council (i.e. national governments) that those actions constitute a threat to the rule of law, which is a core principle of the EU.

So they are threatening to place them under direct rule from the EU
No they are not.
 

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Call me a backward classical liberal, but that should be for the Polish people to determine, no?
It is.

But if a people choose to be a country that doesn't respect rule of law, then they can't be surprised when a group of nations founded on the principle of the rule of law takes action against them.

Any country that doesn't want to respect the rule of law is free not to be a member of the EU.
 


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