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EU to use Lisbon to impose VAT


FutureTaoiseach

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During the Lisbon campaigns I and many others warned of the implications of the amended Article 311 TFEU, which provides for 'a system of own resources for the Union' in furthering EU tax-harmonisation that would remove the principle of "no taxation without representation". VAT is the most regressive of fiscal-instruments, and the unelected Commission's intent to invoke Lisbon to impose it underlines that the Left are being taken for mugs if they believe the guff about Brussels' commitment to a 'social-Europe'.
Euobserver.com said:
The European Commission has proposed a list of potential methods to enable the EU to raise its 'own resources' in future, citing the need to end current wrangling over member state contributions to the Brussels budget.
A separate EU-wide value added tax (VAT) is among the ideas contained in the commission's "budget review" published on Tuesday (19 October), a document which stems from a Franco-British spat in December 2005 over EU payments.
Other self-funding mechanisms could include a financial sector tax, a share of profits from auctioned greenhouse gas emission allowances, an EU charge related to air transport, an EU energy tax or an EU corporate income tax.
Presenting the review in the European Parliament in Strasbourg, EU budget commissioner Janusz Lewandowski said the EU budget should rely less on member state contributions, as was previously the case.
Brussels: Be sure your Lisbon-lies will find you out.
Article 311 TFEU said:
The Union shall provide itself with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies.

Without prejudice to other revenue, the budget shall be financed wholly from own resources.

The Council, acting in accordance with a special legislative procedure, shall unanimously and after consulting the European Parliament adopt a decision laying down the provisions relating to the system of own resources of the Union. In this context it may establish new categories of own resources or abolish an existing category. That decision shall not enter into force until it is approved by the Member States in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements.

The Council, acting by means of regulations in accordance with a special legislative procedure, shall lay down implementing measures for the Union's own resources system in so far as this is provided for in the decision adopted on the basis of the third paragraph. The Council shall act after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
 

johntrenchard

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FT , you didnt emphasis this bit:

"That decision shall not enter into force until it is approved by the Member States in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements. "

The member states will still have to agree unanimously. And that might require referenda in a few of them.

To be honest, I can't see the Germans or French going along with this, let alone the eurosceptic British.
 

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How does "has proposed" become "to"?
FT does have a point - he's pointing out the fundementally undemocratic mindset in the EU Commission.

They are proposing taxation without representation.

Basically a form of legalised looting from member states.
 

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Typical rubbish from FT. Someone suggests something is a possibility and he leaps onto it as fact.

Child says "If my mum lets me, I might buy fireworks as some point if I think it's the right thing to do"

FT rushes to open a thread on "CHILD USES AGREEMENT ON POCKET MONEY TO BUY FIREWORKS"

I don't think FT is all that stupid a person, so the only other conclusion is that he's being deliberately disingenuous.
 

setanta

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FT stoops to lying about the EU ... again! Glad to see that some things never change!
 

FutureTaoiseach

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Typical rubbish from FT. Someone suggests something is a possibility and he leaps onto it as fact.

Child says "If my mum lets me, I might buy fireworks as some point if I think it's the right thing to do"

FT rushes to open a thread on "CHILD USES AGREEMENT ON POCKET MONEY TO BUY FIREWORKS"

I don't think FT is all that stupid a person, so the only other conclusion is that he's being deliberately disingenuous.
I stand over my contention at the OP of this thread.
 

A Time for Every Purpose

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FT does have a point - he's pointing out the fundementally undemocratic mindset in the EU Commission.

They are proposing taxation without representation.

Basically a form of legalised looting from member states.
Yes, he does not support what doesn't suit him from Unelected Europe,
but pushes for the 'laws ' on 'gays' created by these unelected people.

So it is all 'air' this stuff about 'democracy'.The only way much of the legislation, on these minorities could be passed was 'stealthily', by unelected
agents.
Fits in with their true 'stealth ' plans for society.
 

johntrenchard

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That EU Observer article points out far more than just EU Vat. Worth reading

EUobserver / Commission breaks taboo on 'own resources'


"Other self-funding mechanisms could include a financial sector tax, a share of profits from auctioned greenhouse gas emission allowances, an EU charge related to air transport, an EU energy tax or an EU corporate income tax."

I think we in Ireland would be most concerned about that last one. Tax harmonisation by the back door.
 

FutureTaoiseach

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That EU Observer article points out far more than just EU Vat. Worth reading

EUobserver / Commission breaks taboo on 'own resources'


"Other self-funding mechanisms could include a financial sector tax, a share of profits from auctioned greenhouse gas emission allowances, an EU charge related to air transport, an EU energy tax or an EU corporate income tax."

I think we in Ireland would be most concerned about that last one. Tax harmonisation by the back door.
This is relevant to the new Treaty demanded by the Merkel-Sarkozy Axis, which would deprive a member state of its voting rights for violating the deficit-target. That could leave Ireland unable to veto tax-harmonisation via 'own resources'. The jigsaw is falling into place. The mask is slipping...
 

Sync

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I stand over my contention at the OP of this thread.
Of course you do. Man goes on trial for capital murder, the obvious headline would be "Man to be executed" right?
 

setanta

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I stand over my contention at the OP of this thread.
You always do stand over your original claims no matter how bogus or dishonest they are subsequently shown to be. You are a fan of the strategy of the "Big Lie" or "Große Lüge". Tell a lie once and no matter how preposterous it is or how often you get caught out, keep on telling it over and over again and hope that people will believe the lie over the truth.
 

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Of course you do. Man goes on trial for capital murder, the obvious headline would be "Man to be executed" right?
you're not argueing over the substantive content of the articles that FT has linked to , nor are you talking about the long term implications.

They are worthy of comment, rather than shouting down FT over "lying" or whatever it is that comes first into your Euro-addled mind.
 

setanta

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That EU Observer article points out far more than just EU Vat. Worth reading

EUobserver / Commission breaks taboo on 'own resources'


"Other self-funding mechanisms could include a financial sector tax, a share of profits from auctioned greenhouse gas emission allowances, an EU charge related to air transport, an EU energy tax or an EU corporate income tax."

I think we in Ireland would be most concerned about that last one. Tax harmonisation by the back door.
How could it be by the "back-door" when tax policy remains a soveregn competence of the member states and requires their individual approval before the EU can adopt tax measures itself? Oh, sorry, I forgot, it's the EU, therefore any and all bogus claims made about it must be true.
 

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you're not argueing over the substantive content of the articles that FT has linked to , nor are you talking about the long term implications.

They are worthy of comment, rather than shouting down FT over "lying" or whatever it is that comes first into your Euro-addled mind.
If FT had put an accurate headline on the thread, there's a chance we might have had a reasonable discussion over the merits or otherwise of the proposals. Instead, we end up discussing his choice of language.

In terms of what he wants to achieve, he's shooting himself in the foot.
 

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For a political entity which is not planning on tax harmonisation or new taxes, there's an awful amount of rumours and speeches from EU politicians about bringing in various forms of tax for the EU.

If FF were diong this, we'd be saying they were softening us up for something nasty.
But there's no way the EU would do anything like that.
 

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This is relevant to the new Treaty demanded by the Merkel-Sarkozy Axis, which would deprive a member state of its voting rights for violating the deficit-target. That could leave Ireland unable to veto tax-harmonisation via 'own resources'. The jigsaw is falling into place. The mask is slipping...
Lets look over the areas of the market being targetted by these proposals

1. Carbon trading

2. Air transport

3. Energy

4. VAT - i.e. business and consumer transactions

5. Private sector profits

If we leave out carbon trading, which is a EU sponsored mountain of corruption, those other four areas are a rather big chunk of the free market private sector.

This shows fundementally how flawed the thinking is within the EU Commission - rather than getting its own house in order by cutting back on CAP , instead it proposes a looting grab on the private sector IN ADDITION to all the looting going on at national government level.

wonderful. great way to stimulate the economy!

Say yes to Europe, and yes to Jobs.
 

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you're not argueing over the substantive content of the articles that FT has linked to , nor are you talking about the long term implications.

They are worthy of comment, rather than shouting down FT over "lying" or whatever it is that comes first into your Euro-addled mind.
I'm not shouting at FT about lying. I'm point out that he's lying. There is no OP of substance once you strip away the bollox. The EU have not passed a motion to carry this out. So the contention of the OP that the "EU will use Lisbon to impose VAT" is null. There's nothing in the link he provides showing that anyone on the commission in any way referenced Lisbon as a method for getting to a point where VAT is imposed.

So really once you strip away all the rubbish, all you've got is a sentence on "VAT is a regressive tax". I don't think anyone's on the other side of that argument.
 

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Future Taoiseach is spot on as usual about this outrage from the Evil Union.

Good article here from Paul J Watson about the latest act of tyranny. No doubt the Eurotron fanatics will demonise it, but as Jim Rogers said today of the "economist" Paul Krugman, "he hasn't even been to economics 101, let alone the real world."

EU Dictators Plan Fresh Looting Of Tax Slaves
 
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