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€1bn overspend on welfare and health already...what was the point of today ?


nonpartyboy

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Extra €1bn for two departments - The Irish Times - Wed, Dec 05, 2012


Either we have become a socialist state and nobody told the majority of us or spending is completely out of control....

What is the point of creaming the rest of us, stealing our property, pensions etc. to prop up a system that simply cannot be sustained.

What were fg put there to do, sort this out......why are we still persisting with the fantasy ?
 

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Forget about the poor and ill - what about the €3,100,000,000 Anglo promissory note payment in March? (Or the massive amount paid in interest on the national(ised) debt)
 

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Forget about the poor and ill - what about the €3,100,000,000 Anglo promissory note payment in March? (Or the massive amount paid in interest on the national(ised) debt)
At the moment we are borrowing the money to pay the debts/PN, if we walked away from that, 40% of our entire remaining tax take is going on welfare......do you see a problem with that ?
 

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There's too large a bloc of people in this country who take and don't contribute, so they have the ability to get a Labour party (or variant) into power who can prevent proper reform.

FG & FF have a large and vocal minority of tax and spend junkies also who prevent progress, even though many of their most senior people know what the reality is and how unfair the current situation is.

This was the same situation in the 80s and it lead to the formation of the PDs. Unfortunately I don't know who could fill the Dessie O'Malley role these days.
 

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Irrespective of whether you are left or right wing economically, poor financial control is to be dismayed of ... the situation is truly shocking

At least in SW some of it is down to unpredictability (more claimants) , but the year on year lack of financial control in Health shows a serious problem.

cYp
 

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There's too large a bloc of people in this country who take and don't contribute, so they have the ability to get a Labour party (or variant) into power who can prevent proper reform.

FG & FF have a large and vocal minority of tax and spend junkies also who prevent progress, even though many of their most senior people know what the reality is and how unfair the current situation is.

This was the same situation in the 80s and it lead to the formation of the PDs. Unfortunately I don't know who could fill the Dessie O'Malley role these days.
+1 - those bought votes ten years ago are costing everyone now.
 

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Forget about the poor and ill - what about the €3,100,000,000 Anglo promissory note payment in March? (Or the massive amount paid in interest on the national(ised) debt)
If only the HSE was about the poor and the ill, the 30,000 or so administrative staff in there are about as useful to the poor and the ill as an ashtray on a motorbike.

Taxation is always sold to people as being about "helping the poor", "equality", "the starving abroad", in reality the money finds its way into administrators salaries and cronies on quango boards. If only our money actually went to help the genuinely through no fault of their own less well off then even I may not object so much to taxation.
 

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Irrespective of whether you are left or right wing economically, poor financial control is to be dismayed of ... the situation is truly shocking

At least in SW some of it is down to unpredictability (more claimants) , but the year on year lack of financial control in Health shows a serious problem.

cYp
When's Reilly going to publish the two reports on financial management in the HSE which have been sitting on his desk since July?
 

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when's reilly going to publish the two reports on financial management in the hse which have been sitting on his desk since july?
never ........ No surrender ..... ;)
 

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When's Reilly going to publish the two reports on financial management in the HSE which have been sitting on his desk since July?
Leaving Reilly aside : the state of Financial Control in Health is so parlous that a full Cabinet minister should be appointed for it promptly.

cYp
 

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Forget about the poor and ill - what about the €3,100,000,000 Anglo promissory note payment in March? (Or the massive amount paid in interest on the national(ised) debt)
Sure this years hasn't been paid yet never mind next years, it's just been deferred by the use of a Government bond and with the help of BoI. It cost us an additional €90mn to do this and, going by the attitude of the ECB when we did this, we won't be getting any deals on the rest of the PNs.... well, not unless we can ride into one on the coat tails of Greece or Spain.

But ECB executive board member Jörg Asmussen reiterated the bank’s statement, casting doubt on its willingness to provide more day-to-day funding for the banks. "The eurosystem has provided unprecedented support for the Irish banking sector," he said.

Mirroring the attitude adopted by Economics Commissioner Olli Rehn that Ireland must pay its debts, the former German minister said: "It is of the utmost importance that the commitments of the Irish state are met in line with standing contracts and agreements."
However, this needs every country to agree and Germany is reluctant, warning that it could be seen as the country accessing a second bail-out, and damaging the country’s credibility.

Dermot O’Leary of Goodbody said the extra €90m the deal will cost the exchequer will become a problem if the Government’s tax take is less than expected or if spending overshoots.
Promissory note deferral may lead to spending cuts | Irish Examiner
 

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At the moment we are borrowing the money to pay the debts/PN, if we walked away from that, 40% of our entire remaining tax take is going on welfare......do you see a problem with that ?
Yes, it is extremely stressful and tough being out of work for so long despite every possible effort to re-enter the workforce anywhere. Just as bad is being taken as an idiot by those who do not have any concept of reality.
 
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This is a disgrace. It is simply prolonging the death throes of an unsustainable system which is destined to fall apart.
 

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Extra €1bn for two departments - The Irish Times - Wed, Dec 05, 2012


Either we have become a socialist state and nobody told the majority of us or spending is completely out of control....

What is the point of creaming the rest of us, stealing our property, pensions etc. to prop up a system that simply cannot be sustained.

What were fg put there to do, sort this out......why are we still persisting with the fantasy ?
In answer to your question, 'why are we still persisting with this fantasy' I would love to hear any theories people may have.

As usual its the mortgaged, industrial waged, average income earners who suffer the most, sandwiched between the parasitic classes.
 

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Leaving Reilly aside : the state of Financial Control in Health is so parlous that a full Cabinet minister should be appointed for it promptly.

cYp
I wouldn't bother with creating a cabinet position....I know a very good forensic accountant.

New Policy Measures

In line with the Programme for Government commitments funding will be allocated to further develop mental health services and provide free GP care for persons with certain conditions.
I must have imagined that €15m was allocated to the extension of free GP care to people under the LTI in the first quarter of this year, and that €50m was ringfenced for the further development of mental health and primary care also in 2012. And then we've got Kathleen Lynch trying to spin that she welcomed the announcement in the Budget of another €35m for mental health....eh, it's not another €35m....the last €35m was siphoned off to tackle the huge budget deficit in health! Maybe, she could also explain why the posts in MH won't materialise by the end of 2012 like she promised they would! The other question is how can they say that they will generate savings of €80m in professional fees when the PCRS hasn't renegotiated their contracts with GP's or community pharmacists? They are also saying that €44m in savings will be generated by other changes to the primary care scheme. I wonder what changes are they referring to?

Dr Reilly also stressed the importance of stringent financial control in meeting the challenges of the year ahead and the importance of new thinking in securing the best outcomes for patients and those working in the service alike. Among the other initiatives highlighted by the Minister is an improved structure of financial control being implemented both in the HSE and in the Department of Health. Agreement in principle has also been reached in the setting up a new Nurse Graduate Programme. Qualified nurses will be offered the opportunity to apply to take part in a placement programme in the health services for a specific period. The new scheme will be of great benefit in providing experience to nurses while also being of real value to the care of patients.
I bet you's €1,000 that the HSE will also be running a huge budget deficit in 2013 despite the audit committee and accounts officer being in place. Has Reilly agreed the idea of internships for nurses with any of the nursing unions....cos, if nurses let this pass they won't be employing newly qualified graduates I can tell you...they'll be employing fully qualified unemployed staff nurses with many years of experience on these jobsbridge like placements in an attempt to save money!

Minister Reilly pledges service protection a key priority as savings are made

Minister Lynch welcomes renewal of Government Commitment to Mental Health and Social Care services
 
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