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€620,000 for work on the Refugee Appeals Tribunal.


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I have a life.
reading into the latest answer to a dail question on refugees & legal costs, I should but probably an not at the final bill over 5 years of €5.1m. One barrister alone says Shatter "received €623,862 for work on the appeals tribunal between 2008 and last year for 1,358 cases average (€460 per case).

Former Foreign Affairs Minister David Andrews received €260,363 in relation to 460 cases over the period. There is some money been made here on Appeals. I find it very high price for us to pay for this type of thing. Surely it is at entry immigration level that people wishing to move to Ireland should have papers in order or organised for them, and a judgement made on the spot or over a week or so. This has turned into a legal money maker for some. Thought we were broke.
 

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Apparently the number of "refugees" arriving here is now way down from its height during the boom. This proves that the great majority of these people were economic migrants. Many arrived for our gold plated welfare system.
 

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... Surely it is at entry immigration level that people wishing to move to Ireland should have papers in order or organised for them, and a judgement made on the spot or over a week or so. This has turned into a legal money maker for some. Thought we were broke.
There's the whole justice thing.
 

zzzdr

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Apparently the number of "refugees" arriving here is now way down from its height during the boom. This proves that the great majority of these people were economic migrants. Many arrived for our gold plated welfare system.
19 euro a week and a bunk in Mosney.

Luxury.
 

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Apparently the number of "refugees" arriving here is now way down from its height during the boom. This proves that the great majority of these people were economic migrants. Many arrived for our gold plated welfare system.
They are till coming, Shatter benefits from it
 

Mikey Moloney

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19 euro a week and a bunk in Mosney.
Luxury.
Ya because that's all they cost. After all those lawyers for their endless appeals and doctors for their children all do it pro bono. And when they are granted asylum they are entitled to the same benefits as someone working for 20 years recently layed off. Grow a brain ffs.
 

zzzdr

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Ya because that's all they cost. After all those lawyers for their endless appeals and doctors for their children all do it pro bono. And when they are granted asylum they are entitled to the same benefits as someone working for 20 years recently layed off. Grow a brain ffs.

Most don't get asylum. If they do, they're entitled to the same rights as anyone. That doesn't just apply in ireland.

Since they can't work while their appeals are processed, how do you propose they pay for the doctor/food etc.

You don't have the slightest idea what some of these people have gone through.
 

Mikey Moloney

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Most don't get asylum. If they do, they're entitled to the same rights as anyone. That doesn't just apply in ireland.

Since they can't work while their appeals are processed, how do you propose they pay for the doctor/food etc.

You don't have the slightest idea what some of these people have gone through.
But you just said all they get is 19 euro a week. You weren't going to bring up all the benefits in kind. And you also agree that the vast majority are bogus and only economic migrants seeing as how you say so many of their claims are rejected. Not that that means many are deported of course. Pam the scam cost us over a million euro in legal fees alone. What would that money do for your local community instead of spending it on bogus asylum seekers and fat cat lawyers.
 

louis bernard

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A completely ludicrous situation, just goes to show what a complete joke this “country” is. The only refugees that should be in this country are people sponsored by and sent here by the UN. All other “asylum seekers” etc should be detained at the point of entry and sent back to where they came from ASAP. We cannot afford to look after our own, and fat cat lawyers creaming it representing people who have no business here in the first place is just an added insult.
 

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In Ireland, there is far bigger issues to be tackled than the asylum seeker's card. Bankers love this, and so does politicians... (those the real criminals, the real bogus in this age) don't you think?
 

zzzdr

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But you just said all they get is 19 euro a week. You weren't going to bring up all the benefits in kind. And you also agree that the vast majority are bogus and only economic migrants seeing as how you say so many of their claims are rejected. Not that that means many are deported of course. Pam the scam cost us over a million euro in legal fees alone. What would that money do for your local community instead of spending it on bogus asylum seekers and fat cat lawyers.
I never said that's all they get. They get 19 euro cash a week. They also get bad food and sh*t accommodation while their application is processed and inevitably rejected by a clerk in dublin. The reason there are so many appeals is because of the capricious, disjointed and random way asylum applications are dealt with. Many of these people have escaped appalling abuse in their own country.
 

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Most don't get asylum. If they do, they're entitled to the same rights as anyone. That doesn't just apply in ireland.
Exactly most do not get asylum, because they are bogus asylum seekers.

Since they can't work while their appeals are processed, how do you propose they pay for the doctor/food etc.
The fact that most arrive with very little or no documents does not help.

You don't have the slightest idea what some of these people have gone through.
Do you mean having to pass through other safe countries to get to Ireland?
 

zzzdr

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Exactly most do not get asylum, because they are bogus asylum seekers.


The fact that most arrive with very little or no documents does not help.


Do you mean having to pass through other safe countries to get to Ireland?
By safe country you mean a tent in winter in Cherbourg risking your life to get to Mosney?
 

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Most don't get asylum. If they do, they're entitled to the same rights as anyone. That doesn't just apply in ireland.

Since they can't work while their appeals are processed, how do you propose they pay for the doctor/food etc.

You don't have the slightest idea what some of these people have gone through.
You're having a bubbly bath.

What ever they've gone through to get here ,its certainly worth all the bother.

If your gonna leave a supposed mud hut in central Africa where you live in fear of female genital circumcision and make it whole way here into a system that provides for you day in day out, gives you room and board, trys its best to provide the food that your accustomed to ,give you and all your family a medical card and all that comes with that,if you're not happy with that then I suppose you could feck off back to the misery whence you came from ,or head down to your local lefty TD and tell him ,or her how your Human Rights are been abused here in Ireland. Or you could suck it up and take what you've been given for free and fuppin appreciate it.
 

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reading into the latest answer to a dail question on refugees & legal costs, I should but probably an not at the final bill over 5 years of €5.1m. One barrister alone says Shatter "received €623,862 for work on the appeals tribunal between 2008 and last year for 1,358 cases average (€460 per case).

Former Foreign Affairs Minister David Andrews received €260,363 in relation to 460 cases over the period. There is some money been made here on Appeals. I find it very high price for us to pay for this type of thing. Surely it is at entry immigration level that people wishing to move to Ireland should have papers in order or organised for them, and a judgement made on the spot or over a week or so. This has turned into a legal money maker for some. Thought we were broke.
Politicians milking the system.

The answer to politicians ans their cronies milking the system is to have greater transparency in how all the money is spent.

But, it seems that they all agree on the need to reduce transparency.
 

zzzdr

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You're having a bubbly bath.

What ever they've gone through to get here ,its certainly worth all the bother.

If your gonna leave a supposed mud hut in central Africa where you live in fear of female genital circumcision and make it whole way here into a system that provides for you day in day out, gives you room and board, trys its best to provide the food that your accustomed to ,give you and all your family a medical card and all that comes with that,if you're not happy with that then I suppose you could feck off back to the misery whence you came from ,or head down to your local lefty TD and tell him ,or her how your Human Rights are been abused here in Ireland. Or you could suck it up and take what you've been given for free and fuppin appreciate it.
Assuming you don't actually know anything about asylum or any asylum sealers, your insight is remarkable.

Should the "undocumented" Irish in the US be sent home on the next container ship?
 

Mikey Moloney

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So then zzzdr, which part of the immigration industry are you employed by? Legal or quango?
 

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Politicians milking the system.

The answer to politicians ans their cronies milking the system is to have greater transparency in how all the money is spent.

But, it seems that they all agree on the need to reduce transparency.
Andrews was a barrister. If you ever found yourself in a spot of legal bother you'd need one of these "cronies".
 
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