European far right leaders "a free Europe" meet today - Aim: Dismantle EU



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The EU is not perfect but as a small country our interests is in maintaining a neighbourhood system based on laws and norms, and not simply the rule of the strong.

That is the danger we face.

If Trump and Putin get their way, and the world reverts to nation states, then we will be living in a utterly lawless paradigm where the larger bullies rule.

The Far Right should properly be regarded as quislings. They do not have the interests of their own people at heart but are serving those of other nations, who have no intention of treating us fairly.
 

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The worm is turning. I give the current form of the EU five years tops. Time to go back to sovereign nations.
If France goes with Le Pen I wouldn't give it that long.

The problem with these 'visionaries' is that they think they're going to be on the winning side if the EU implodes.

Russia is itching to weaken Europe and now we've got an American administration which seems at best ambivalent...

And if Trump's promise of tear up multilateral agreements in order to exert more pressure in bilateral deals comes true... then he and America will be playing along nicely with Russia...

If the EU implodes it'll be back to the US and Russia divying the place up again... divide and conquer is the current trend... and the a'holes in Europe will be the losing fodder...
 

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If they help to dismantle the EU Empire I wish them well in that endeavour.......

The EU has lost the run of itself and must be dismantled........
 

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How do they reconcile collaboration among themselves I wonder in their logic, like being nationalist, where is the limit

Do the Germans still want Alsace and Lorraine
 

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That is the danger we face.

If Trump and Putin get their way, and the world reverts to nation states, then we will be living in a utterly lawless paradigm where the larger bullies rule.

The Far Right should properly be regarded as quislings. They do not have the interests of their own people at heart but are serving those of other nations, who have no intention of treating us fairly.
They are bully worshipers who admire the strong and hate the weak, that's all they are.

I think one of the better arguments of the EU from an Irish perspective was a piece I read by the Garrett Fitzgerald who pointed out our dependence on trade with the UK before entry and sometime after. If the EU were to collapse we might have to depend on our larger neighbour to an even bigger extent again and I don't trust them to always have our best interests at heart (not that the EU does look at the crash but coalitions can be built with other nations in the bloc on different issues at various times to our advantage).
 

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The EU and NATO are no bullies at all?
As my quoted comment stated and my posts history on this site confirm I have being quite critical of the EU my argument is that Ireland's international position and the position of many European states would be worse without it.

I would say the same with regard to NATO, even though its more complicated with relation to Ireland as we are not a member and that position suits us as it allows us to be more acceptable on peace keeping missions but it does raise the question of are we coasting under the bet that we are under their umbrella when that might not be the case.
 

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Identity Ireland founder and erstwhile Eurovision hopeful, Peter O'Loughlin.
I liked that song a lot, however I prefer this French one;

[video=youtube;gw4p96AHcfw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw4p96AHcfw[/video]b

I'm a huge fan of the Pre-World War II French Monarchist Syndicalists, being more than a bit of a knacker I totally identify with Les Camelots du Roi. This may surprise a lot of here and be unbelievable to others but there are a couple of more Irish Jacbites besides me. It is probably time that we became active. I love the idea of a Trade Union that would bring down the Capitalist Republic and bring in a Christian Socialist Monarchy.
 

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I wouldn't argue for the total dismantling of the European Union, but that said, having watched the perpetual crises of the European Union over the past decade, I certainly don't want it progressing much further as it is.

All of these crises seem to have the same solution put forth from Brussels, from people like Mr Verhofstadt, and that's always a "one europe" solution. Migrants flooding into Europe? Manage quotas from the EU level and tear up the Dublin regulation! European countries struggling with debt? That's OK, just form a Fiscal Union, oh and don't forget tax harmonization! Banks are still in trouble? Ok, we need a banking union! Ukraine and Russia are at conflict? Ok, let's form a single EU army to face down Putin over something that has nothing to do with the vast majority of our member states!

And on and on it goes, and history shows they really don't care when the public of any member state rejects it.

So ye, I wouldn't be down with a lot of the policies from the so called "far right", but that doesn't mean the federalists and Euronationalists among us are much better!
 

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It was rather funny to see the organizers put up Belgian flags given the attendants.
 

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The Far Right should properly be regarded as quislings. They do not have the interests of their own people at heart but are serving those of other nations, who have no intention of treating us fairly.
Would explain why Dutch intelligence services have had an interest in Wilders' party and his own contacts abroad in the past - to the point where Wilders had to boot someone from his electoral list because Dutch intelligence concluded that he was in contact with foreign intelligence services.
 

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In your opinion Le Pen is not far right?

I am only quoting, first from Reuters and also from another example headline, the Guardian:

Marine Le Pen leads gathering of EU far-right leaders in Koblenz

So she is not a far right leader who is attending and leading a far-right leaders meeting? Or I suppose the Guardian is a rag and peddles false news ... fair enough if thats the case.
The Guardian :shock: Yeah, really objective that is! :lol:
 

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Would explain why Dutch intelligence services have had an interest in Wilders' party and his own contacts abroad in the past - to the point where Wilders had to boot someone from his electoral list because Dutch intelligence concluded that he was in contact with foreign intelligence services.
Its a matter of record that Marine Le Pen applied for a 2,5 million
euro loan from Putin. Farage has regularly appeared on RT.

I would not be at all suprised if trump, who has been black-listed for loans from US banks for a decad, had not received financial assistance from Russian oligarchs or oligarch-controlled banks, all of which are ultimately answerable to Putin.

None of this should be taken as glossing over the long history of CIA involvement in European politics, it is simply to underline windowshoppers point that the "bullies" regard Europe as just another sphere of interest for them, and most certainly do not want us to be any counterweight to them.

The Far Right is currently being groomed by Russia to be its useful idiots.
 

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Would explain why Dutch intelligence services have had an interest in Wilders' party and his own contacts abroad in the past - to the point where Wilders had to boot someone from his electoral list because Dutch intelligence concluded that he was in contact with foreign intelligence services.
Interesting. AFAIC, for all their talk about "Islamic terrorism" and patriotism etc etc these far-right groups are nothing but another headache for the security services.
 

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They are bully worshipers who admire the strong and hate the weak, that's all they are.

I think one of the better arguments of the EU from an Irish perspective was a piece I read by the Garrett Fitzgerald who pointed out our dependence on trade with the UK before entry and sometime after. If the EU were to collapse we might have to depend on our larger neighbour to an even bigger extent again and I don't trust them to always have our best interests at heart (not that the EU does look at the crash but coalitions can be built with other nations in the bloc on different issues at various times to our advantage).
Yes, before we joined the EEC in '73 we were dependent on exports to the UK, agri exports that is, and it benefited the UK because it was low cost food and helped to keep the cost of living down for the working class in Britain, not that Britain itself was in the best of economic times in the early '70s.

However, I don't understand this being brought up in 2017, it has been 44 years and things are dramatically different in the world. The EEC we joined in the '70s is a long way away from the modern European Union. I'm not saying we're better off outside of it, or arguing we should leave, but this is always brought up in debates about the EU as if somehow the improvements from EEC membership in the '70s have some bearing on the modern EU and the modern world. It doesn't. In fact, if we have to keep looking to the past for positives of the European project, what does that tell you?

That particular argument comes up a lot, almost as much as the 30 pieces of silver argument, the "oh they've been SOOO good to us" argument.
 

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Its a matter of record that Marine Le Pen applied for a 2,5 million
euro loan from Putin. Farage has regularly appeared on RT.

I would not be at all suprised if trump, who has been black-listed for loans from US banks for a decad, had not received financial assistance from Russian oligarchs or oligarch-controlled banks, all of which are ultimately answerable to Putin.

None of this should be taken as glossing over the long history of CIA involvement in European politics, it is simply to underline windowshoppers point that the "bullies" regard Europe as just another sphere of interest for them, and most certainly do not want us to be any counterweight to them.

The Far Right is currently being groomed by Russia to be its useful idiots.
To be fair to Wilders, the concerns that existed around him and the persons on his electoral list (I cannot say "party members" because, officially, they are not as Wilders' party only has one member, Wilders himself) did not focus on Russia. Instead, they focused on Israel as far as I am aware.
 


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