Eurosceptics are Ireland's only supporters on Corporate Tax regime

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The EU Commission is now to dam bust Ireland's corporate tax regime with its latest CCCTB rules.
It will hurt Ireland even more that the Apple judgement in September.
I note that Nigel Farage is correct when he says Euroeceptics are Ireland's only supporter on this issue.
Do you think its now time for Ireland to leave the EU and take back control of its destiny? And what about all the 1916 stuff about an independent state?

CCCTB will devastate the Irish economy, time to reassess your EU membership - Nigel Farage MEP


The acting UKIP leader Nigel Farage MEP said:

“It’s interesting that apart from the Irish themselves, virtually the only supporters that Ireland has against the EU’s devastating Corporate Tax Base proposals are Eurosceptics.
I wrote in September that a CCCTB would cripple the Irish economy. That approaching reality is now much closer.

Remember that an Irish Taoiseach once said that interference by the EU in Irish corporate tax affairs was a red line which would call into question Ireland’s membership of the EU.

This year, many Irish people celebrated the centenary of their struggle for national independence and sovereignty.
With this Commission attack on Irish tax sovereignty, it looks time for people to reassess what they gain and lose from EU membership.

Most countries around the world act in the economic interests of their citizens - when the Irish state decides to do this, you will have decided to leave the EU and choose your own political and economic destiny. Then Ireland can be free to prosper on the global stage - no longer dragged down by the troika, the euro and EU control. “
 


Jack O Neill

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The EU Commission is now to dam bust Ireland's corporate tax regime with its latest CCCTB rules.
It will hurt Ireland even more that the Apple judgement in September.
I note that Nigel Farage is correct when he says Euroeceptics are Ireland's only supporter on this issue.
Do you think its now time for Ireland to leave the EU and take back control of its destiny? And what about all the 1916 stuff about an independent state?

CCCTB will devastate the Irish economy, time to reassess your EU membership - Nigel Farage MEP


The acting UKIP leader Nigel Farage MEP said:

“It’s interesting that apart from the Irish themselves, virtually the only supporters that Ireland has against the EU’s devastating Corporate Tax Base proposals are Eurosceptics.
I wrote in September that a CCCTB would cripple the Irish economy. That approaching reality is now much closer.

Remember that an Irish Taoiseach once said that interference by the EU in Irish corporate tax affairs was a red line which would call into question Ireland’s membership of the EU.

This year, many Irish people celebrated the centenary of their struggle for national independence and sovereignty.
With this Commission attack on Irish tax sovereignty, it looks time for people to reassess what they gain and lose from EU membership.

Most countries around the world act in the economic interests of their citizens - when the Irish state decides to do this, you will have decided to leave the EU and choose your own political and economic destiny. Then Ireland can be free to prosper on the global stage - no longer dragged down by the troika, the euro and EU control. “

So little Englander Farrage is our best friend ? , Thanks but no thanks , we have had century's of that type of help from those type of people .
 

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So little Englander Farrage is our best friend ? , Thanks but no thanks , we have had century's of that type of help from those type of people .
So did you vote for the village idiot Kenny? Or the traitors Cowen and Ahern? Perhaps Ireland needs to reclaim its independence.
 

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At some point reasons for remaining in it will be less than reasons for leaving, that point is inexorable and lies somewhere in the future, French Greed on corpo tax or the insistence on population transformation or militarism are all issues that give us another huge shove towards that point, but reaching it is inevitable. We are a backwater of the EU we do not really matter.

Changes that take place (especially now with the UK going) are changes that benefit the inner core, from Normandy to Bavaria, from Copenhagen to Barcelona.
 
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We don't have to accept this. We have the power of veto to opt out - should our pol-reps choose to use it.
 

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We don't have to accept this. We have the power of veto to opt out - should our pol-reps choose to use it.
The Irish government? Led by that little village idiot? They'd be too busy bending over for Brussels (or Berlin) to worry consider any power of veto.
 
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The Irish government? Led by that little village idiot? They'd be too busy bending over for Brussels (or Berlin) to worry consider any power of veto.

Regardez l'exemple des Wallons, ma chérie.
 

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Regardez l'exemple des Wallons, ma chérie.
They don't think of themselves as Belgian but your pal the village idiot would melt like a Belgian chocolate teapot if Juncker, Merkel or Hollande told him to. Besides, Belgium isn't a real country.
 
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They don't think of themselves as Belgian but your pal the village idiot would melt like a Belgian chocolate teapot if Juncker, Merkel or Hollande told him to. Besides, Belgium isn't a real country.
I wonder if you're as well acquainted with Belgian regional and societal divisions as you seem to believe.

Anyway, given the way things are developing (especially in Hungary and Poland but also south Belgium), vociferous opposition to what comes out of Brussels, Strasbourg and/or Frankfurt has become far more mainstream.

Once upon a time, our political representatives wanted to be seen as team players because there was dosh to be won and we wanted to distinguish ourselves from those awkward Brits. Now, we're net contributors and, in any case, the Brits are in the queue for the cloakroom.

In the words of a recent Nobel laureate....the times they are a-changin'.
 

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The European Project is doomed

Most peoples don't want to be part of a Super State

- they want to be part of a Europe of Nation States that can control their own borders and their own finances

Co operation not copulation
 
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The European Project is doomed

Most peoples don't want to be part of a Super State

- they want to be part of a Europe of Nation States that can control their own borders and their own finances

Co operation not copulation
Going by the demographic situation in e.g. Italy and Germany, we could do with a bit of copulation but I'd know nawthin' about that. :shock:
 
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You know Ireland is in deep trouble when the Irish Times slams the EU''s CCCTB as dangerous.

And what about Bertif Ahern and FF who said they would leave the EU if it interfered in our corporate tax regime?

Why Brussels’ latest tax plan is a threat to Ireland
To CCCTB or not to CCCTB – the consolidated corporate tax base is very much the question
By Cliff Taylor

Why Brussels
 

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He's completely right. They are going to destroy us with globalisation unless we wake up and start acting in our interests.

I don't want our future to be a province of a superstate with no sense of national identity thanks to EU migration policies.
 

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I'd like to see us able to compete on bases other than a low tax rate. - Which is a race to the bottom anyway, and only pits us against new and emerging economies in this race to the bottom... We definitely learnt a lot from the MNCs that our low CT rate attracted, in terms of working effectively and efficiently and safely etc. But, it's time to move on now, and do it for ourselves, find our own strengths and talents and abilities and stand on our own feet. Although I'd add that to be able to do this, we need to clear away the political and social and cultural deadweight holding us back.
 

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Anyone in business would say that competing on a basis of lowest price is a mug's game. You do not want to be in the game of selling a 'commoditised' good unless you have the market tied up somehow.

Well the same goes for selling ourselves as a place for multinationals.

But anyway the whole mindset of competing on this basis lacks vision, planning and sophistication. What is our vision? - To be the cheapest place in the world for multinational companies - whoever they are?

Look at Germany - they have a vision of being the best country at building and engineering the highest quality consumer goods in the world. Then Japan currently has a vision of building and engineering the best producer's goods in the world - building the machines that make the world's consumer goods. America has a vision of fostering the best new enterprise and succesful entrepreneurial ventures in the world.

Who are we, what do we have, what are we good at? ... are questions that no one seems to embrace... Personally, I think that this is because our government have taken it upon themselves to answer these questions for us.

... One part of the answer given by our government is that we are good at giving large companies massive tax breaks and grants that they would not receive elsewhere, in return for some crumbs from their table.

... And another part of the answer they give is that THEY will be the supreme arbiters of private enterprise in Ireland. - We have seen over the last number of years how they were engaged in activities like orchestrating and facilitating financial and insurance companies to conduct their gouging and chicanery... how they were enabling real estate and construction companies and professionals to employ the most incompetent and backwards of business techniques and thinking, yet still reap huge profits... how they were dictating to young entrepreneurs through their agencies what areas to start a businesses in (high-tech, internet, software services etc.) - and if they chose areas not on the agenda of these government agencies, then they can say goodbye to their grants and supports...

Then, look at how they do entrepreneurship in America - they build stuff and do stuff in their garages, and then go to private wealthy individuals and companies to pitch for investment... Whereas in this country, we have a large new breed of so called entrepreneur sprung up who have 'ideas' and then expect substantial government support on this basis. Then, when they do get on some government entrepreneurial programme, the focus is overwhelmingly on marketing and how one might be clever with branding and distribution channels etc. to make hoped for multi-millions... The entrepreneur's energy is thus diverted from substance. The degree of failure of these government agency programmes is fairly evident.

So, there's lots more expanding on this theme that could be done.

Don't get me wrong, I recognise that low CT is THE major oxygen tube for our economy at present. And I recognise that other nations are trying to step on our oxygen tube. However I don't blame them. We are setting a precedent in lowering the bar for all countries.

But we need to wean ourselves off dependency on that particular oxygen tube. While no doubt we are on the particular oxygen tube of MNC's here for low CT reasons alone, we have much less motivation to create other 'oxygen tubes' that are more secure from interference, and for that matter, much more nourishing to the mind, body and spirit of our country. If the fight for real independence this country has so long been engaged in is to be won, we need to turn our eyes to these new battlegrounds.
 

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CCCTB makes sense.

create a single set of rules for how EU corporations calculate their EU taxes and provide the ability to consolidate EU taxes.

Corporate tax rates in the EU would not be changed by the CCCTB, as EU countries would continue to have their own corporate tax rates.
Once again the EU have expressed a desire for further integration.
It's up to us if Ireland should join them or get out of the way.
 

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We are like a child caught up in a dispute between two divorcing parents.

Here, the slightly more unhinged one (the UK) is bad mouthing the other one (the EU) in the hope of winning us over to their side.
 

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So did you vote for the village idiot Kenny? Or the traitors Cowen and Ahern? Perhaps Ireland needs to reclaim its independence.
The trend these days is towards blocks of countries working together... with all the ups and downs that entails...

Do you really think Ireland could thrive on its own?

Or is the idea that we become Britain's dingle berry?

Ireland is f***ed no doubt... and I'm really not sure there's a pallatable answer... but cutting and running away from everything doesn't look like a great option either...
 

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The European Project is doomed

Most peoples don't want to be part of a Super State

- they want to be part of a Europe of Nation States that can control their own borders and their own finances

Co operation not copulation
The attitude towards the EU in much of Continental Europe is far from as hostile as Eurosceptics and the gutter press etc. would like us all to believe, even with the recent emergence of more extreme left and right movements.

Around Europe Brexit is baffling... ordinary Joe & Josephine Soaps don't understand it...

Even our rejections of Nice and Lisbon were baffling to many of them...

Don't fool yourself into thinking if push came to shove that most of Europe would reject the EU... cos they wouldn't.
 


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