EU's negotiating strategy re Brexit. 'Chapeau'

JacquesHughes

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If the WWII was the UK's War of Independence, the Brexit talks are it's experience of a Treaty negotiation.

I think there's quite a parallel- not least in the complete novelty of the experience for the UK negotiators, the EU's attitude of [injured] lese-majeste, coupled with close and unexpected attention to detail; ( the Irish border, and that 'closing your account payment') , while making out-flanking extensions of it's own influence ( recent ' free' trade treaty with Japan) among the potential targets for future British trade partners.
Who do those arrogant EU apparatchiks Juncker and Barnier think they are?

There's also the [apparent] outsourcing of the face to face negotiations ( supposedly between sovereign States) to a civil servant of the EU, (whose chief contribution has been contumely observations to the media on the quality of the British preparation), and the ultimate delegation of any actual agreement to the veto of the EU parliament ( the EU's most personally indebted and grateful institution, if a bit untried in this role).

Unreproved the EU has asserted that it decides the timetable, the sequence of issues, and formed the novel 'pay to talk' concept.

It's been quite a display, if a bit uncomfortable at times for those raised on the principle, 'Britannia waives the Rules'- Bravo!, and on occasions, Ole!
 


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Will there be an English "Collins" who will bring back a "Stepping Stone Treaty to Independence", who will be savaged by a British "DeValera" leading to a Civil War?
 

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If the WWII was the UK's War of Independence, the Brexit talks are it's experience of a Treaty negotiation.

I think there's quite a parallel- not least in the complete novelty of the experience for the UK negotiators, the EU's attitude of [injured] lese-majeste, coupled with close and unexpected attention to detail; ( the Irish border, and that 'closing your account payment') , while making out-flanking extensions of it's own influence ( recent ' free' trade treaty with Japan) among the potential targets for future British trade partners.
Who do those arrogant EU apparatchiks Juncker and Barnier think they are?

There's also the [apparent] outsourcing of the face to face negotiations ( supposedly between sovereign States) to a civil servant of the EU, (whose chief contribution has been contumely observations to the media on the quality of the British preparation), and the ultimate delegation of any actual agreement to the veto of the EU parliament ( the EU's most personally indebted and grateful institution, if a bit untried in this role).

Unreproved the EU has asserted that it decides the timetable, the sequence of issues, and formed the novel 'pay to talk' concept.

It's been quite a display, if a bit uncomfortable at times for those raised on the principle, 'Britannia waives the Rules'- Bravo!, and on occasions, Ole!
This the the sort of gobbledegook one ends up spouting after reading nonsense in 27 different languages.

If you spend 5-10 minutes reading the Daily Telegraph you will realise that you have been indoctrinated by the EUWaffenSSR.
 

Mick Mac

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The British don't have their story straight but if their fractured then how long before the EU does what it does best and fractures.
German Industry is apparently getting uncomfortable about the uncertainty and towards the end of the year other EU countries should be starting to wonder what the hell Brexit will mean for them. The EU is facing pressure and it's going to shift.

Remember, the in thing the EU can do well is look like everything is going great before not actually delivering a decision.

The Brits may have a chance to pull their act together but look at their political leadership and wonder will they.
 

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Will there be an English "Collins" who will bring back a "Stepping Stone Treaty to Independence", who will be savaged by a British "DeValera" leading to a Civil War?
Yeah, you have it there.
 

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Remember, the in thing the EU can do well is look like everything is going great before not actually delivering a decision.
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What decision does the EU have to make?

It's the UK that's decided to leave.
 

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The Japanese response to British pressure for a trade deal is what the British will get with many major economies: call us when you know what your future relationship with the EU will be.

And that's where the EU has the UK by the proverbial sphericals in the nether regions.

Every day that the EU negotiators spend chastising the Britons' lack of preparation is one day closer to March 29th, 2019.

And it's one day less for the UK to go back to these fantastic new trading partners to negotiate these fantastic new deals.
 

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Tis senior hurling, and these bunch of chancers who have played nothing but tiddly winks for the past 40 years, are woefully unprepared and are petulantly makes all sorts of nonsense demands, cos Brexit was sold on pack of lies, and as they cannot or will blame themselves to the UK public, so the ould EU will get the blame. They'd rather shoot themselves in the foot than even attempt to start playing senior hurling and get serious, so it'll be WTO rules. After a while they'll probably be alright, but Ireland, north and south, are going to get stung, and badly.
 

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I'm reminded throughout of the scene in Puckoon where the border is decided by everyone present grabbing the pencil and pulling as hard as they can in their favoured direction as it traverses the map.
 

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If the WWII was the UK's War of Independence, the Brexit talks are it's experience of a Treaty negotiation.

I think there's quite a parallel- not least in the complete novelty of the experience for the UK negotiators, the EU's attitude of [injured] lese-majeste, coupled with close and unexpected attention to detail; ( the Irish border, and that 'closing your account payment') , while making out-flanking extensions of it's own influence ( recent ' free' trade treaty with Japan) among the potential targets for future British trade partners.
Who do those arrogant EU apparatchiks Juncker and Barnier think they are?

There's also the [apparent] outsourcing of the face to face negotiations ( supposedly between sovereign States) to a civil servant of the EU, (whose chief contribution has been contumely observations to the media on the quality of the British preparation), and the ultimate delegation of any actual agreement to the veto of the EU parliament ( the EU's most personally indebted and grateful institution, if a bit untried in this role).

Unreproved the EU has asserted that it decides the timetable, the sequence of issues, and formed the novel 'pay to talk' concept.

It's been quite a display, if a bit uncomfortable at times for those raised on the principle, 'Britannia waives the Rules'- Bravo!, and on occasions, Ole!
The UK has yet to realise it has moved from being a big fish in a big pond, to a small fish in huge pond and it's big fish friends are not it's predators.

The UK exports 44% of it's goods and services to the EU. The EU imports a fraction of it's yearly good and services from the UK. For instance, while it is true that Germany buys more from the the UK, it buys about £26bn from the UK which is about 5.2% of all it's annual imports.
 

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You can't really bully a nation with Nuclear Weapons.
Of course you can. Particularly when that nation can't afford to keep it's nuclear weapons when it's economy is crippled by petulant morons refusing to accept reality and negotiate like sane, informed adults.
 
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Of course you can. Particularly when that nation can't afford to keep it's nuclear weapons when it's economy is crippled by petulant morons refusing to accept reality and negotiate like sane, informed adults.
The French trade unions?
 

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I was nonplussed about brexit, living here on the border brexit is a mixed bag of pros and cons, but we have to admit that a nation leaving the EU is actually useful to the other member states, in how they might do so and as an example of how a nation might prosper outside of the EU.

If/when the next financial crisis happens we, as a nation are now lumbered with"historic debt" just as Greece was prior to the last crash, this could give the EU licence to impose severe austerity on us again and again on threat of expulsion, but what if expulsion wasn't so bad, what if the UK prospers outside, would this give us an extra option, would we be able to leave the EU instead of bailing out the European Bank again.
 

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I was nonplussed about brexit, living here on the border brexit is a mixed bag of pros and cons, but we have to admit that a nation leaving the EU is actually useful to the other member states, in how they might do so and as an example of how a nation might prosper outside of the EU.

If/when the next financial crisis happens we, as a nation are now lumbered with"historic debt" just as Greece was prior to the last crash, this could give the EU licence to impose severe austerity on us again and again on threat of expulsion, but what if expulsion wasn't so bad, what if the UK prospers outside, would this give us an extra option, would we be able to leave the EU instead of bailing out the European Bank again.
To do that, we'd be somewhat dependent on the UK. If history has failed to teach us anything in regard to what to expect from there, the farce that is going on right now must surely make us worry, if we ever have to depend on them for anything, for even a second.
 

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If/when the next financial crisis happens
Brexit is a financial crisis, the UKs citizens purchasing power is taking another knock although after years of devaluations the UK public are inured to this creeping impoverishment.

The UK public are literally being fleeced by their own government.
 


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