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Ex Equality Authority head upset that Croke Park II doesn't ensure equality of outcome


cyberianpan

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Niall Crowley the former fiddly fingered quangocrat hasn't gone away, indeed he is trying to foment opposition to Croke Park II. He correctly notes that

1) Croke Park II diminishes some childcare friendly flexible work practices
2) Incidentally that more women than men engage in work and child care

He combines 1&2 and claims Croke Park II is opressive to Women's Rights !

This type of faulty thinking/rhetoric is really annoying and hampers debate of childcare issues etc !

Croke Park plans 'could force women to quit jobs' - RTÉ News

cYp
 

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Niall Crowley the former fiddly fingered quangocrat hasn't gone away, indeed he is trying to foment opposition to Croke Park II. He correctly notes that

1) Croke Park II diminishes some childcare friendly flexible work practices
2) Incidentally that more women than men engage in work and child care

He combines 1&2 and claims Croke Park II is opressive to Women's Rights !

This type of faulty thinking/rhetoric is really annoying and hampers debate of childcare issues etc !

Croke Park plans 'could force women to quit jobs' - RTÉ News

cYp
In what way is his thinking faulty?
 

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Without flexi-time many parents would not have time to make breakfasts for their kids, pick them up after work and make sure they do their homework and so on. There would be no family home life at all. Paying for child minders is increasingly beyond the means of many people now. So who is going to rear and look after the kids? Either the mother or father would be forced to give up work to rear and look after the children and in the majority of cases it will inevitably be the mother.

We would be effectively be back to the situation that existed before the early seventies where women gave up their jobs when they got married and had kids.

A major cause of economic growth across the developed world in the later half of the 20th century was working mothers who balanced motherhood with a career.

Making it hard for women to work and also have family will kill the economy.
 

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Without flexi-time many parents would not have time to make breakfasts for their kids, pick them up after work and make sure they do their homework and so on. There would be no family home life at all. Paying for child minders is increasingly beyond the means of many people now. So who is going to rear and look after the kids? Either the mother or father would be forced to give up work to rear and look after the children and in the majority of cases it will inevitably be the mother.

We would be effectively be back to the situation that existed before the early seventies where women gave up their jobs when they got married and had kids.

A major cause of economic growth across the developed world in the later half of the 20th century was working mothers who balanced motherhood with a career.

Making it hard for women to work and also have family will kill the economy.
it also doubled the prices of houses....as two salaries went into the mortgage affordability calculation rather than one.
 

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This is not a communist country OP. "Equality" is an expensive lie. Non existent. We are not all equal. Some are just better than others. Darwin etc. Get over it.
 

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Without flexi-time many parents would not have time to make breakfasts for their kids, pick them up after work and make sure they do their homework and so on. There would be no family home life at all. Paying for child minders is increasingly beyond the means of many people now. So who is going to rear and look after the kids? Either the mother or father would be forced to give up work to rear and look after the children and in the majority of cases it will inevitably be the mother.

We would be effectively be back to the situation that existed before the early seventies where women gave up their jobs when they got married and had kids.

A major cause of economic growth across the developed world in the later half of the 20th century was working mothers who balanced motherhood with a career.

Making it hard for women to work and also have family will kill the economy.
That is what it is all about, the government want to make it increasingly difficult to balance work/life arrangements (wait for the abuse that that term will generate here) in the hope that workers (and in particular women) will stay at home. The proposed reduction in availing of flexi time to take time off which is often used for family related issues is a case in point.
The government are selling the CPA2 on the basis that it is not reducing the basic pay of those earning less than 65k however the working week will increase by between 2- 4 hours per week. This is a big issue for low paid PS with families as it will result in increased child minding costs of approx €25- €35 pw.
 

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Niall Crowley the former fiddly fingered quangocrat hasn't gone away, indeed he is trying to foment opposition to Croke Park II. He correctly notes that

1) Croke Park II diminishes some childcare friendly flexible work practices
2) Incidentally that more women than men engage in work and child care

He combines 1&2 and claims Croke Park II is opressive to Women's Rights !

This type of faulty thinking/rhetoric is really annoying and hampers debate of childcare issues etc !

Croke Park plans 'could force women to quit jobs' - RTÉ News

cYp
The link doesn't include any detail on how the changes to work practices would affect working mothers so other than the headline (and that the report was commissioned by the unions opposed to CP2) hard to come to any conclusion.
 

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Niall Crowley ...
I stopped reading right there. The public face of the busy body middle class social engineering crowd. Getting rid of him was one thing FF and the Greens got right.
 

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Niall Crowley the former fiddly fingered quangocrat hasn't gone away, indeed he is trying to foment opposition to Croke Park II. He correctly notes that
Perhaps if the government abolished all quangoes and took the money and pensions back from quango parasites then it might be doing something right. No doubt FLab Vinnie will have him on the Vincent Browne show along with other quangoites to emote about the plight of the unequalised.
 

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Without flexi-time many parents would not have time to make breakfasts for their kids, pick them up after work and make sure they do their homework and so on. There would be no family home life at all. Paying for child minders is increasingly beyond the means of many people now. So who is going to rear and look after the kids? Either the mother or father would be forced to give up work to rear and look after the children and in the majority of cases it will inevitably be the mother.

We would be effectively be back to the situation that existed before the early seventies where women gave up their jobs when they got married and had kids.

A major cause of economic growth across the developed world in the later half of the 20th century was working mothers who balanced motherhood with a career.

Making it hard for women to work and also have family will kill the economy.
Yes when a couple have children, one of them some times has to give up their job to look after them and its normally the person who earns the least amount. Makes economic sense.

From my own experience and from what i can see around me, women generally marry men who have a greater income than them. Its a fact most women step up not down when they marry hence why they end up being the one who has to give up there job. No other reason. Most men would happily stay home if there wife earned more than them.
 

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This is not a communist country OP. "Equality" is an expensive lie. Non existent. We are not all equal. Some are just better than others. Darwin etc. Get over it.
Yes, and if everyone is given an equal chance, those who are 'better' will rise to the top.

You spectacularly miss the point.
 

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I stopped reading right there. The public face of the busy body middle class social engineering crowd. Getting rid of him was one thing FF and the Greens got right.
I'd have thought that someone with a Maggie Thatcher avatar would be all in favour od social engineering; just in a different way.
 

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Yes when a couple have children, one of them some times has to give up their job to look after them and its normally the person who earns the least amount. Makes economic sense.

From my own experience and from what i can see around me, women generally marry men who have a greater income than them. Its a fact most women step up not down when they marry hence why they end up being the one who has to give up there job. No other reason. Most men would happily stay home if there wife earned more than them.
This rhetoric bothers the phuck out of me. I mean I have a 2 year old me and his mother works. If you have a kid its the parents responsibility FFS it should not be the employers or the states duty to look after the kid that should fall on the shoulders of parents..This is simple if your not financially or mentally ready to have a child dont phucking have one and if you do have one don't expect others to look after the kid for you for free or to bend the rules for you. End of
 

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This rhetoric bothers the phuck out of me. I mean I have a 2 year old me and his mother works. If you have a kid its the parents responsibility FFS it should not be the employers or the states duty to look after the kid that should fall on the shoulders of parents..This is simple if your not financially or mentally ready to have a child dont phucking have one. End of
So, why did you have one?
 

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In what way is his thinking faulty?
He is in effect giving out about equality of outcome.... where there clearly is equality of opportunity.

The issue is just that more women happen to mix childcare and work than do men. This is not something that should come under the remit of equality legislation/tribunals etc

It is the free choice of women , or men, to engage in childcare - that more women happen to is not relevant to equal rights.

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That is what it is all about, the government want to make it increasingly difficult to balance work/life arrangements (wait for the abuse that that term will generate here) in the hope that workers (and in particular women) will stay at home. The proposed reduction in availing of flexi time to take time off which is often used for family related issues is a case in point.
The government are selling the CPA2 on the basis that it is not reducing the basic pay of those earning less than 65k however the working week will increase by between 2- 4 hours per week. This is a big issue for low paid PS with families as it will result in increased child minding costs of approx €25- €35 pw.
Why would the government and the Labour party in particular want to make it difficult to balance work/life arrangements?
What motive would underlie this?

My of experience of flex-time is that some (not all) individuals use the 'flexibility' to do less as very often there is less supervison outside normal working hours. Some tasks cannot be completed properly outside normal working hours and should never even be considered for 'flexi-time'.
This is mainly based on private sector but I have also seen this in PS.
I have encountered some PS who are extermely unhappy about colleagues exploiting flexi-time arrangements protected by unions.
It can come down to the honesty of the individual. It can mean an increased work burden for those working normal hours and in a highly unionised environment this tends not to be tackled.
 

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So, why did you have one?
Because I had 50k saved up and could afford to have one. I am not moaning or groaning about it. He is in a creche which costs 850 quid a month along with other costs the little blighter coste easily 20/25k a year..My wife and I planned to have the kid when we were both finaincially secure and when we knew we could cope with the childs well being and expenses
 

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Yes, and if everyone is given an equal chance, those who are 'better' will rise to the top.

You spectacularly miss the point.
The problem with "equality" as these f*ckards see it is that it is equality for them on their over-generous salaries and poverty for you. Would they be willing to accept the average industrial wage for the bullsh!t work that they do?
 

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Because I had 50k saved up and could afford to have one. I am not moaning or groaning about it. He is in a creche which costs 850 quid a month along with other costs the little blighter coste easily 20/25k a year..My wife and I planned to have the kid when we were both finaincially secure and when we knew we could cope with the childs well being and expenses
I was referring to the mentally ready bit :)
 

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The problem with "equality" as these f*ckards see it is that it is equality for them on their over-generous salaries and poverty for you. Would they be willing to accept the average industrial wage for the bullsh!t work that they do?
Different debate, jmcc.
 
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