Excellent summary of rationale for Brexit voters

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I discovered this comment tucked away on Quora and I believe that the poster has really nailed why people have voted for Brexit in a few lines. I believe that it points to "real" reasons for the Brexit vote, regardless of the propaganda.

I believe that at the heart of the Brexit (and Trump) vote is a sense of distance from the care factor of elites. I dare say I could be convinced that people who voted Brexit didn't even want to leave the EU, so much as get the attention of their local government. Take back control is right : people want to take back control of their public representatives.

I imagine that many people in the UK feel that their public representatives are simply distracted, and they want to halt the system and start calling politicians into line. My Trump voting friends in the US who are perfectly lovely people made this distinction very clear. They have zero racial issues, they work hard and believe in the American dream. They feel that nonetheless their politicians are playing politically correct games based on what the coastal elites demand in more immigrant societies. Of course, I think they are nuts to vote for Trump, but you have to ask yourself what the Dems were doing putting hated Hillary (whom I admire) in front of the flyover states.

Back to the UK, people have not, I believe, as the poster below puts it, suffered a decline in working and living standards, I think their memories of the past are becoming more golden by the day. But they DO feel that their traditional society is changing faster than they can keep up with and think politics needs to get more local, and on that I wholeheartedly agree. The voice of the Anglo-American conservative has not be heard for too long, and it's because the elites are simply not in charge. Sadly, they are not in charge because they left the capitalist elite determine policy more and that elite is now more firmly in charge of Britain than ever.

The Scots feel closer to their politics because they have recently shaped it considerably through resurgent organised nationalism. The Londoners feel close for obvious locality reasons, because their Mayor is like a local PM anyway (and is really in touch) and because the EU is palpably what works for London. Northern Irish have also taken more control over their politics in the last decades, and while it's slipping a bit it is far more closer to the voter than elsewhere in the UK, which is really where the Brexit vote lies.

I’m not convince Brexit will help the commoners, but then again I am convinced being in the EU has hurt them. While we have been in the EU we have seen a drop in wages and poorer working and living conditions. This may well have happened anyway of course but at least with the British Parliament we have a chance of changing things through elections and lobbying. The problem with the EU is that even if it does turn out to be democratic it is so complicated very few ordinary people understand how it works, and it is so large even fewer have any real chance of changing it. To all intents and purposes it has become unaccountable.

I think Brexit was fueled by a feeling that being in the EU does hurt ‘me’, while being out of it might hurt too - but then again it might not. At least there is a chance of things changing for the better when we revert to a more accountable system of government. ‘We’ don’t trust parliament any more than the EU/ECJ but at least we have a chance of changing it.
Anyway, while I agree that politics failed many, the consequences are not the solution. For that, the incumbent politicans must bear blame for not presenting alternatives.
 


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So all the false promises and guarantees of greater wealth and prosperity, and not to mention keeping the foreigner out had absolutely no bearing on the result?
 

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So all the false promises and guarantees of greater wealth and prosperity, and not to mention keeping the foreigner out had absolutely no bearing on the result?
of course they had,
but,,
this is the sort of feedback the EU would do well to listen to

who is your local MEP
what do they stand for (other than being a member of FF/SF/FG/Lab/Ind)
what are the big policy decisions they will vote on in coming years

that lack of transparency and accountability does no favours for the EU
 

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The British people had two elites Lording it over them . The British one and the Eu one .

When given the opportunity they very wisely dumped the Eu one .

Perhaps now that they have made a good start its time to dump the second one .
 

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A german friend of mine called the british who voted to leave racists on Facebook .She s a tree hugger type who defends all the causes .when i pointed out that i didnt believe that the 17 and a half million or so brits that voted to leave were solely concerned with race and she was more a racist with her fb comment i was quickly unfriended.
 

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The British people had two elites Lording it over them . The British one and the Eu one .

When given the opportunity they very wisely dumped the Eu one .

Perhaps now that they have made a good start its time to dump the second one .
they should have dumped the second one at least 100 years ago but serfdom is inbred so they will always be someones cannon fodder , they are happier that way , bless em
 

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I'm just boggling at this notion that the voice of Anglo Conservatism has not been heard in decades cos Britain is secretly run by a faceless liberal elite conspiracy :shock:

:lol:

Deranged stuff.
 

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Absurd and idiotic - blame the EU for the drop in real incomes in the UK and ignore the fact that exactly the same phenomenon has been happening during the same period in the USA?
Has any Brexiter yet even bothered to reflect for a single second upon the fact that nothing remotely like the same antipathy exists among ordinary worker in Germany or France towards the EU as exists among the British and American working class?
The Brexit voters were duped by a cabal of rich former public school boys last year, just as American voters were conned by a cabal of billionaires with the strongest ties to Wall Street in generations.
 

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A media owned by far right billionaires primed people for Brexit for decades. Then the Leave campaign was the test run of social media election control for Trump. I don't think it was a posh boys spat, or that the Tories are just laughably incompetent at negotiations. No deal was always the plan. Brexit is for no tax disaster capitalists. It's the next step in Buchanan's plan to get a population to cheerfully vote themselves into near totalitarianism and still believe they are in a democracy. Taking back control.

“Well it's what the people voted for, isn't it?” There was no informed consent given for what's happening.

It's hard going for a country to vote themselves out of an endlessly funded antidemocratic set up and into a decent democracy. Like the USA, the UK was nearly sewn up and virtually unreformable. It didn't take much of a push to get us over the line to the Henry the VIII clauses and total freedom for the far right asset strippers.

Corbyn will be no use, he wants to keep FPTP. Tweedledum and Tweedledee. Only it's two voices saying the same thing – that there can only ever be two voices and one choice. It's his last chance fantasy - in the chaos the people will rise up and vote him in, and somehow this Britain -

James Kelman “Britain is not a country, it is the name used by the ruling elite and its structures of authority to describe itself.”
- will calmly let him dismantle them and create a socialist republic.
 

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Anyway, while I agree that politics failed many, the consequences are not the solution. For that, the incumbent politicans must bear blame for not presenting alternatives.
Too many voters who are too easily manipulated. Blame them first and foremost.
 

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The British people had two elites Lording it over them . The British one and the Eu one .

When given the opportunity they very wisely dumped the Eu one .

Perhaps now that they have made a good start its time to dump the second one .
The Irish people also have two elites ruling over them. FFGPLP. And Brussels. We have not yet dumped either. And we need to dump both.
 

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The Irish people also have two elites ruling over them. FFGPLP. And Brussels. We have not yet dumped either. And we need to dump both.
Get rid of one and that will feel so good that the second one can also be toppled .

Can you imagine how good the British People must Feel to see the back of that pack of Bolloxes / k*nts in Brussels and Strasbourg .

They are such Bolloxes / k*nts that they have to have two places to bollox / k*nt .

The British Voters are heroes / heroines...each and every one of them ....that voted for Brexit .
 

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Get rid of one and that will feel so good that the second one can also be toppled .

Can you imagine how good the British People must Feel to see the back of that pack of Bolloxes / k*nts in Brussels and Strasbourg .

They are such Bolloxes / k*nts that they have to have two places to bollox / k*nt .

The British Voters are heroes / heroines...each and every one of them ....that voted for Brexit .
Grinding your teeth can lead to tension headaches.
 

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I discovered this comment tucked away on Quora and I believe that the poster has really nailed why people have voted for Brexit in a few lines. I believe that it points to "real" reasons for the Brexit vote, regardless of the propaganda.

I believe that at the heart of the Brexit (and Trump) vote is a sense of distance from the care factor of elites. I dare say I could be convinced that people who voted Brexit didn't even want to leave the EU, so much as get the attention of their local government. Take back control is right : people want to take back control of their public representatives.

I imagine that many people in the UK feel that their public representatives are simply distracted, and they want to halt the system and start calling politicians into line. My Trump voting friends in the US who are perfectly lovely people made this distinction very clear. They have zero racial issues, they work hard and believe in the American dream. They feel that nonetheless their politicians are playing politically correct games based on what the coastal elites demand in more immigrant societies. Of course, I think they are nuts to vote for Trump, but you have to ask yourself what the Dems were doing putting hated Hillary (whom I admire) in front of the flyover states.

Back to the UK, people have not, I believe, as the poster below puts it, suffered a decline in working and living standards, I think their memories of the past are becoming more golden by the day. But they DO feel that their traditional society is changing faster than they can keep up with and think politics needs to get more local, and on that I wholeheartedly agree. The voice of the Anglo-American conservative has not be heard for too long, and it's because the elites are simply not in charge. Sadly, they are not in charge because they left the capitalist elite determine policy more and that elite is now more firmly in charge of Britain than ever.

The Scots feel closer to their politics because they have recently shaped it considerably through resurgent organised nationalism. The Londoners feel close for obvious locality reasons, because their Mayor is like a local PM anyway (and is really in touch) and because the EU is palpably what works for London. Northern Irish have also taken more control over their politics in the last decades, and while it's slipping a bit it is far more closer to the voter than elsewhere in the UK, which is really where the Brexit vote lies.



Anyway, while I agree that politics failed many, the consequences are not the solution. For that, the incumbent politicans must bear blame for not presenting alternatives.
If those who voted leave felt their traditional society was changing too fast and that leaving the EU would solve the problem, they were wrong. It's immigration from outside the EU that is causing more hassle than immigration from within the EU, and the leavers (and the rest of us living in UK) will have more and more non-EU migration post-Brexit.

Face it, the leavers were duped by old Bullingdon chappies and former city market wide boys.
 

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Perhaps the Vote leave people had a good look and decided that they didn’t need those Eu fookers interfering in their country .

Perhaps they decided to have a Free Sovereign Independent Country .

Great People willing and able to stand on their own two feet .
 

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An ordinary human vulnerability. Which of us hasn't been gaslighted or conned on something big?
Going in to the Eu was a major mistake , particularly for Britain but belatedly they are putting that right . Well done to the leave Voters , Inspiring stuff .
 

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A media owned by far right billionaires primed people for Brexit for decades. Then the Leave campaign was the test run of social media election control for Trump. I don't think it was a posh boys spat, or that the Tories are just laughably incompetent at negotiations. No deal was always the plan. Brexit is for no tax disaster capitalists. It's the next step in Buchanan's plan to get a population to cheerfully vote themselves into near totalitarianism and still believe they are in a democracy. Taking back control.

“Well it's what the people voted for, isn't it?” There was no informed consent given for what's happening.

It's hard going for a country to vote themselves out of an endlessly funded antidemocratic set up and into a decent democracy. Like the USA, the UK was nearly sewn up and virtually unreformable. It didn't take much of a push to get us over the line to the Henry the VIII clauses and total freedom for the far right asset strippers.

Corbyn will be no use, he wants to keep FPTP. Tweedledum and Tweedledee. Only it's two voices saying the same thing – that there can only ever be two voices and one choice. It's his last chance fantasy - in the chaos the people will rise up and vote him in, and somehow this Britain -



- will calmly let him dismantle them and create a socialist republic.
Great post, thanks.

Those GDP per capita data from The Economist are particularly vivid and stark in respect of the UK.
 

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Ahhh schucks... so in an attempt to get the attention of their political 'masters' the Brits decided to throw themselves out with the bath water...

It's pathetic stuff if it's accurate... a complacent electorate vying for the attention of politicians in Blighty and using the EU to do it...

Ah well... as long as they're prepared to accept and own the consequences of their tantrum... cos I suspect they're going to be disappointed if they're not disappointed already.

Brexit ain't going to fix what they want it to and were told it would fix.

The NHS is still going to bankrupt Blighty regardless.
 


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