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Excessive wages in the state sector . Name and shame thread.


Éireann go Brách

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Excessive wages in the state sector . Name and shame thread

Hi

Last night on the late late show during the dicussion of Shane Ross new book "wasters"
It was mentioned thet the head of a human rights qunago in Ireland
was paid 100,000 more than the head of the UN something like 250,000
approx. I am writing this thread in disgust at the excesive wages
that the people at the top of the state are paid.

As part of your New Ireland, that must rise from the ashes of the
Banking crisis. We need politcal and constitual reform.
We also need to create a fairer Ireland.

I believe that in the state sector a maxiumum wage should be set at somewhere between 150,000 and 250,000
The Pres. and the Taoiseach should be on this
and no one paid higher than them.

If anyone can thing of a reason why someone in the state sector should be paid more than 250,000 a year I would like to hear it.
For example why is Pat Kenny on 630,000 a year
Could he not do the job for 200,000.

By the state sector I include
The state
The semi state
Quangos
Charitys/NGOs/groups that get over 50% state funding.
Banks that Receive Govt captial.

I believe these cuts will serve two purposes
(A) make Ireland fairer and better place
(B) Save Money ( If Pat Kenny worked for 200,000 a year
the 430,000 savings could employ 14 people at 30,000 each.)

Lets Name and shame them


Please Post
Name or Group name
Position
Salary
Link


I will start
Name
Pat Kenny
Position
RTE broadcaster
Salary
630,000(2009)
Link
Pat Kenny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 


Cassandra Syndrome

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Gosh you trolled my thread about the Federal Reserve collapsing the dollar and accused me of being paid by interested parties (whoever would pay someone to start that up here, please get in touch with me) which has a direct impact on all of us, but you start of a snitching thread publicly humilating people living in this country?

Pathetic populist jerk.
 

consultant

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I think there is merit in listing all salaries paid to top earners in the State sector.
 

jake76

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Patrick Honohan
Position
Governor of Central Bank
Salary
€369,078 (2009)
Linkhttp://www.tribune.ie/business/article/2009/oct/25/governor-honohan-to-narrow-gap-with-bernanke-on-sa/

"The last governor of the Central Bank faced a large amount of controversy over his salary which was much larger than that paid to others running central banks, like Mervyn King or Bernanke. According to US filings, Bernanke was paid $191,300 in 2008, which translated into €127,447."

We don't have our own currency
 

corelli

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Excessive wages in the state sector . Name and shame thread

Hi

Last night on the late late show during the dicussion of Shane Ross new book "wasters"
It was mentioned thet the head of a human rights qunago in Ireland
was paid 100,000 more than the head of the UN something like 250,000
approx. I am writing this thread in disgust at the excesive wages
that the people at the top of the state are paid.

As part of your New Ireland, that must rise from the ashes of the
Banking crisis. We need politcal and constitual reform.
We also need to create a fairer Ireland.

I believe that in the state sector a maxiumum wage should be set at somewhere between 150,000 and 250,000
The Pres. and the Taoiseach should be on this
and no one paid higher than them.

If anyone can thing of a reason why someone in the state sector should be paid more than 250,000 a year I would like to hear it.
For example why is Pat Kenny on 630,000 a year
Could he not do the job for 200,000.

By the state sector I include
The state
The semi state
Quangos
Charitys/NGOs/groups that get over 50% state funding.
Banks that Receive Govt captial.

I believe these cuts will serve two purposes
(A) make Ireland fairer and better place
(B) Save Money ( If Pat Kenny worked for 200,000 a year
the 430,000 savings could employ 14 people at 30,000 each.)

Lets Name and shame them


Please Post
Name or Group name
Position
Salary
Link


I will start
Name
Pat Kenny
Position
RTE broadcaster
Salary
630,000(2009)
Link
Pat Kenny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It was a reference to Maurice Manning who is supposed to be on 237,000k. They failed to mention, of course, that he voluntarily took a salary reduction of 10%, reducing it to about 210k per annum, and handed back his state pension, to the value of about 50 grand a year. So, all in all, he took about a 70k pay cut.

I am not defending high State salaries, and the Government should never have set it that high in the first instance, but a bit of factual accuracy and balance is not a bad thing either.

Did Shane Ross agree not to be paid his Seanad pension when he goes, like Manning, if he is still being paid as a Journalist?
 

eoghanacht

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Posted this piece on another thread.

Route 66: the public servants paid more than the Taoiseach

The sixty-six public servants paid more than Brian Cowen



John Corrigan, Head of NTMA, €500,000 + (Estimated as NTMA refuses to release salary details)

Brendan McDonagh, Head of NAMA, €500,000 + (Estimated as NAMA refuses to release salary details)

Mike Aynsley, CEO, Anglo Irish Bank, €500,000

Declan Collier, CEO, Dublin Airport Authority, €478,100

Padraig McManus, CEO, ESB, €458,309

Dermot Byrne, CEO, Eirgrid, €439,000

Donal Connell, CEO, An Post, €423,000

Gabriel D'Arcy, CEO, Bord na Mona, €357,000

John Mullins, CEO, Bord Gais, €344,000

David Gunning, CEO, Coillte, €343,000

Cathal Magee, CEO designate, HSE, €322,000

John Murray, Chief Justice,

Nicholas Kearns, President, High Court, €275,000

Eamonn Brennan, CEO, Irish Aviation Authority, €274,000

Cathal Goan, DG, RTE, €273,000

Enda Connellan, CEO, Dublin Port, €264,000 (2008)

Frank Gannon, DG, Science Foundation, €259,697

Brendan Keating, CEO, Cork Port, €259,372 (2008 salary includes deferred bonus for '06 and '07)

Adrian Hardiman (+ six others), Supreme Court judge, €258,000

Matthew Deery, President Circuit Court, €249,000

Paul Carney (+ 35 others), High Court judge, €243,000


Academic Medical Consultant, Public Teaching Hospitals, €241,359

John Lynch, Executive Chairman, CIE, €239,602


Seán McGrath, HR Director, HSE, €230,000

Dr Michael Murphy, President, UCC, €230,000

Kevin Cardiff, Secretary General / Dept of Finance, €228,466

Dermot McCarthy, Secretary General / Dept of Taoiseach, €228,466

Brian Cowen, Taoiseach, €228,466
 
D

Duth Ealla

"For example why is Pat Kenny on 630,000 a year
Could he not do the job for 200,000."

On the ball but change if from Could to Would and you have it exactly - Would he not do the job for 200,000.

Yes he would because no way he will get an offer to match it from any other station.

The people who should be most outraged about this are the pro free market people but somehow they never seem to complain about the people on the big wages even when those wages are out of wack with what the market should be paying.
 

dirtyoldman

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All members of the judiciary, all hospital consultants, all government ministers, etc., etc.,

These are all on salaries in excess of €200,000. Given our present financial difficulties no-one should receive more than €100,000 per annum from the public purse - this is a very decent salary on which anyone living in Ireland today can have a very good standard of living.

Of course, they won't slash these exorbitant salaries in the next budget, instead they'll hit those on social welfare and old age pensions, those who are already living below the poverty line. It's disgusting.
 

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Excessive wages in the state sector . Name and shame thread

I believe that in the state sector a maxiumum wage should be set at somewhere between 150,000 and 250,000
The Pres. and the Taoiseach should be on this
and no one paid higher than them.
I see no reason to pay the president any salary at all, saving the taxpayer another 300,000 euros or so.
What I'd favour instead is for the position to be held by someone of means who has achieved distinction in their profession, is widely admired both at home and abroad, and is now senior enough to command the respect the position deserves.
There would of course be an entertainment budget for the job, and the person would still be able to claim reasonable expenses. But no salary.
Since the president in truth is really just a glorified usher (meet, greet and seat), the job will naturally appeal to those of an affable and reasonably gregarious nature, perhaps someone from showbusiness, music or acting, or sport, a person of stature, Chris de Burgh or Red Hurley for example, but perhaps not Twink.
I feel sure that even without a salary, there would still be many successful people interested in putting themselves forward for this largely ceremonial but still important position.
 
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Éireann go Brách

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Some great replies my favourite is the lotto guy
He was winning lotto plus one every year :D
How hard can it be to run the lotto? :confused:

Name
Dermot Griffin
Position
CEO: National Lottery
Salary
€276,000 (2007)
Link
Who is answering Lenihan's patriotic call?


I wonder what kind of savings could be made if everyone in state sector
was cut to 175,000. Its well into the tens of millions.
imagine that money invested as a stimulus employment package.
They could take thousands off the dole at no expense to the taxpayer.

Do we really want to live a republic where the head of a forestry agency(of a country with 4 million people in it)
gets paid 20 times aprox the min. wage.

Don't forget as well that a lot of so-called NGO's and charities
get most or all of their funding from state
For example Concern got 33 million in 2008*
(*) https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=t5hRmtCsxNT1gVPZHqTXfHQ#gid=0


Name

Tom Arnold
Position
Chief Executive Concern charity
Salary
€140,000
Link
Top charities defend 'fat cat' CEO salaries - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie
 

wombat

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The people who should be most outraged about this are the pro free market people but somehow they never seem to complain about the people on the big wages even when those wages are out of wack with what the market should be paying.
I thought that is exactly the objection that free market advocates have to the salaries paid to those in the protected state sector.
 

needle_too

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Heres a UK CivSer job paying 50-70k
Civil Service jobs

Heres the wage scales for the UK civil service
HM Revenue & Customs: Pay and benefits

Heres a BBC report on High-earning UK civil servants
BBC News - Civil service high earner salaries reported

You'll notice that in a population of 60million -
over 170 civil servants earn more than Prime Minister David Cameron. The Daily Telegraph says the names, positions and salaries of those public servants earning more than £150,000-a-year were revealed to aid transparency.
and
the Guardian reports that the top earner is paid £275,000.

Man the Irish PS have some serious reductions coming......
 

Éireann go Brách

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The future

Second republic of Ireland act 2012

Article 7

In this republic no person working for the state or in a state funded enterprise shall be paid more than the maximum wage.
The maximum wage will be no more than 10 times the minimum wage.
 

paulp

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What would be saved if austerity 3 year measure was established to cap every gov funded salary at 150k, and after 3 years, review to see if any should be reviewed upwards. Over 2000 counsultants at over 100k saved each gives 1/4 billion.
 

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The future

Second republic of Ireland act 2012

Article 7

In this republic no person working for the state or in a state funded enterprise shall be paid more than the maximum wage.
The maximum wage will be no more than 10 times the minimum wage.
Give or take that would be about 175k a year. An excellent salary and more than enough.
 

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