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Facebook, Twitter and Google 'ordered' by UK cops to remove pictures of Bulger killers


Grumpy Jack

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Interesting new front developing in the battle between states and the internet - this time in the UK.

British police have ordered Facebook, Twitter and Google to remove photos purported to be of Jon Venables, one of the child killers of Liverpool toddler Jamie Bulger in 1993 when Venables and Robert Thompson were aged 10.

From The Guardian website:

Google, Facebook and Twitter have been ordered by the police to remove photographs purporting to show one of James Bulger's killers.

The police intervention came after the attorney general threatened to prosecute those who uploaded pictures claiming to be of Jon Venables, now 30, to the internet.

Merseyside police served the three web giants with the injunction that bans the purported identification of Venables and Robert Thompson, who were released with new identities in 2001 after being jailed for the murder of Bulger in Liverpool 20 years ago.

Legal experts said the breach could result in a landmark mass contempt prosecution by the government, following a number of recent cases that brought cyberspace into direct confrontation with the law.

A spokeswoman for the attorney general's office said Merseyside police had requested that Twitter, Facebook and Google "assist with the removal of material in breach of the terms of the order" and that the process was ongoing.

The photographs are believed to have begun circulating online on 14 February and some were still available on Monday.

Google, Facebook and Twitter ordered to delete photos of James Bulger killers | Media | guardian.co.uk
This could get very interesting indeed.

Will global web giants like Facebook, Twitter and Google comply with UK demands?

Can UK enforce their will on the companies?

Will the UK AG take contempt actions against those who posted the photos and/or those who post links to the them or retweet them?

What are the implications for the internet and those who use it of such action?

The floor is now open. Any takers?
 


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Fascist idiots!
 

Grumpy Jack

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One blog which carried the photos purported to be of Venables and on which I saw them last week is now 'no longer available'. Apparently 'The authors have deleted this site'.

That's tells me one thing above all else.
 
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Why would it be illegal to expose these guys?
It could set a precedent.

It's all very well to clap and cheer when some child killer/paedophile gets his mugshot splashed all over the net.

But what happens when some innocent's name is uploaded that has nothing to do with any crime, as happened recently after the shooting in Connecticut when somebody with the same name as the killer found himself the subject of a tweet.

The whole area is a minefield.
 

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It could set a precedent.

It's all very well to clap and cheer when some child killer/paedophile gets his mugshot splashed all over the net.

But what happens when some innocent's name is uploaded that has nothing to do with any crime, as happened recently after the shooting in Connecticut when somebody with the same name as the killer found himself the subject of a tweet.

The whole area is a minefield.
Look at this link here from the BBC.

It only went as far as vandalism but who knows what could happen? Imagine if you were confused for one of those two?
 
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Be careful what you wish for.

If more and more cases like this crop up and the major players in the internet insist on absolute freedom of their content t is only a small step towards various legislatures imposing territorial controls - along with not merely stamping down on proxy services - but effectively criminalising them and others.

The next step would then be to put in place agreeemnts which are even moe stringent than those in place which would allow pro forma extardition of those breaching "borders".

Eventually the internet would be entirely run from a rogue state. Unless Ireland wants to bid fo that job?
 

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Fascist idiots!
Ribeye, there are those out there who would, guite seriously, view Venables' death as a "good thing".

He has served his time, and has been released.

Do you not think that allowing online vigilantism and stalking with potentially serious consequences is a bad idea?
 

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Yea. The UK is one of those strange countries that think its laws extend beyond its shores. They don't.
Foreign judgements can attract recognition by vitue of EU agreements.

Before making such statements, perhaps you should do some research?
 

artfoley56

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Interesting new front developing in the battle between states and the internet - this time in the UK.

British police have ordered Facebook, Twitter and Google to remove photos purported to be of Jon Venables, one of the child killers of Liverpool toddler Jamie Bulger in 1993 when Venables and Robert Thompson were aged 10.

From The Guardian website:



This could get very interesting indeed.

Will global web giants like Facebook, Twitter and Google comply with UK demands?

Can UK enforce their will on the companies?

Will the UK AG take contempt actions against those who posted the photos and/or those who post links to the them or retweet them?

What are the implications for the internet and those who use it of such action?

The floor is now open. Any takers?
well the first thing that springs to mind is that the AG in his rush to clamp down on the internet has in fact confirmed that they are indeed the images of venables & thompson because if they were'nt there's no contempt
 

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Foreign judgements can attract recognition by vitue of EU agreements.

Before making such statements, perhaps you should do some research?
brussels 1 & 2 iirc
 

The OD

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I guess this twitter nonsense is the updated version of those muppet's chasing prison vans out of court banging on the sides and mouthing off.
 

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It could set a precedent.

It's all very well to clap and cheer when some child killer/paedophile gets his mugshot splashed all over the net.

But what happens when some innocent's name is uploaded that has nothing to do with any crime, as happened recently after the shooting in Connecticut when somebody with the same name as the killer found himself the subject of a tweet.

The whole area is a minefield.
They're currently revising data protection laws in the EU and there's been suggestions that tech firms like Google and Facebook have been lobbying MEP's (Sean Kelly) for more relaxed laws.

Claims Facebook influenced MEPs over data protection - Independent.ie

Brussels fights US data privacy push - FT.com

MEPs to vote on data protection proposal today - The Irish Times - Wed, Feb 20, 2013
 

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Ribeye, there are those out there who would, guite seriously, view Venables' death as a "good thing".

He has served his time, and has been released.

Do you not think that allowing online vigilantism and stalking with potentially serious consequences is a bad idea?
He has also shown himself to be of still very doubtful character. It could be argued that in the interests of public safety his picture should be freely available. If that happened there would be less chance of a totally innocent person being confused with Venables.

I've had a quick look and Venables was or maybe still is on twitter. He really does seem to want to have his cake and eat it.
 

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well the first thing that springs to mind is that the AG in his rush to clamp down on the internet has in fact confirmed that they are indeed the images of venables & thompson because if they were'nt there's no contempt
Exactly
 

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He has also shown himself to be of still very doubtful character. It could be argued that in the interests of public safety his picture should be freely available. If that happened there would be less chance of a totally innocent person being confused with Venables.

I've had a quick look and Venables was or maybe still is on twitter. He really does seem to want to have his cake and eat it.
you do know he had a name change ?
 

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