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Facial Recognition CCTV To Be Rolled Out Across The Country

Civic_critic2

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According to reports detailing the new €205 million package of technical upgrades to the gardaí, CCTV with facial recognition is to be 'rolled out across the country'. It is not said in any of these reports how many of these cameras will be rolled out, where they will be placed or any other details whatsoever. We are simply presented in these reports with a fait accompli which is apparently of so little controversy that it is to be announced, rolled out and nothing further is to be said about it.

This represents a big expansion of state power and surveillance over all of us and there is little justification for facial recognition across the country. It has attracted no obvious criticism nor any mention on here as far as I can see. I remember a discussion some months ago about a new budget for technical stuff for the guards where I pointed out that this may mean Big Brother style technical implementations and it seems I have been proven right. What are people's thoughts, do you think this imposition without any remark or discussion is acceptable or proportional in any way?
 


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It is is the bovine reaction of the unthinking governing classes to what they see as a tool for accumulating even more power safe in the knowledge thyat they will be protected from the consequences of their own activities due to the general level of corruption existing within the justice system. Freedom of movement without big brother watching you is a right that we should be defending vigorously, as Privacy international say on their website -

These powers can be used to protect our security, but without proper safeguards these capabilities can also be abused and undermine the very values they seek to protect. Our privacy allows us to control our lives and boundaries, to protect ourselves and our dignity, while also forming the basis of many other rights, including freedom to express yourself and the freedom to organise. Without necessary democratic controls, state surveillance is used to crush dissent and abuse human rights.

https://privacyinternational.org/node/143

You can understand why the government would prefer us to read Harry Potter rather than Nineteen Eighty Four.
 

dammit_im_mad

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No money for anything like housing or special needs but 205 million for CCTV cameras with facial recognition tech

Here are the real priorities of those governing you folks. :roll:

And your media are more concerned with kim kardashian's arsé
so they aren't on your side either.

Sooner or later people need to WAKE TO FÚCK UP
 

Lúidín

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They can be stored with the voting machines and the water meters while the lawyers discuss their constitutionality at a new inquiry.
 

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Potato head? When a caricature artist draws a patron in a pub for a few bob. The recipient is invariably portrayed as a potato head. Thus these artists identify we Irish as potatoes. Perhaps the software will work in a similar fashion? Different potatoes for different counties? What kind of potato will Kerry people be?
 

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This provides enormous political power to the ones controlling the cameras and the software. The ones who watch are empowered, the watched depowered. The ones who watch sit in judgement, the watched are forced into a position of self-justification. It is the nature of the human condition that these roles and their consequences follow from these positions and the technology enabling them.

This is a form of authoritarian extremism that is uncalled for and unneeded. Our recent history has been quite extreme in its social control and abuse. Are people really so stupid as to allow these things to be built up around them? It seems the answer in the West is yes.
 

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Potato head? When a caricature artist draws a patron in a pub for a few bob. The recipient is invariably portrayed as a potato head. Thus these artists identify we Irish as potatoes. Perhaps the software will work in a similar fashion? Different potatoes for different counties? What kind of potato will Kerry people be?
Golden Wonders - the finest of all!
 

mr_anderson

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No money for anything like housing or special needs but 205 million for CCTV cameras with facial recognition tech

Here are the real priorities of those governing you folks. :roll:

And your media are more concerned with kim kardashian's arsé
so they aren't on your side either.

Sooner or later people need to WAKE TO FÚCK UP
Well they need the face-recognition CCTV to identify the rioters after the pressure cooker explodes over the housing crisis.
 

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They can be stored with the voting machines and the water meters while the lawyers discuss their constitutionality at a new inquiry.
Talking of such things is it not amazing that the government believes that cameras can recognise faces but microphones cannot detect water leaks.
 

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I'm surprised that this software is only being used in this country now, they've been using it on CSI and Law & Order for years!:)

The software is only smart enough to check someone who is already in the system anyway.
 

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Can it detect your face beneath a mask as most intelligent criminals wear them when committing criminal activities?
 

rainmaker

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Relax. We've had this sort of thing for decades - if you have nothing to worry about you wont even know they're there.
 

Civic_critic2

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The software is only smart enough to check someone who is already in the system anyway.
This is naive, this data will be cross-referenced with for example facebook's advanced facial recognition algorithms applied to anyone who has had a picture tagged on that platform and with passport photos. It will gather data on every face and store it for later, in the system or no.

It will be networked with a host of other data to give realtime tracking of the entire population, which can be accomplished automatically with relatively little expense or infrastructure. It will be used on every demonstration. It will be used to track anyone for anything, completely outside any 'terrorist' or violent criminal uses, though these will be used for its justification.

It will be used increasingly in residential areas, just as CCTV cameras are being increasingly used in such areas.

It is a noose and an attempt to create a servile infantilism in the population. It is in fact grotesque.
 

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Can it detect your face beneath a mask as most intelligent criminals wear them when committing criminal activities?
Yeah, but then they would look a bit odd walking around shopping malls and high streets wearing masks so are likely to be spotted anyway :roll:
 

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Yeah, but then they would look a bit odd walking around shopping malls and high streets wearing masks so are likely to be spotted anyway :roll:
Some of the very good theatrical masks can only be detected by close up inspection so I doubt if distant cameras will prove to be of any use.
 

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I'm surprised that this software is only being used in this country now, they've been using it on CSI and Law & Order for years!:)

The software is only smart enough to check someone who is already in the system anyway.
In NZ everyone with a drivers licence is in the system. Not that I have a problem with facial recognition technology, it is the obvious step after cctv, but it isn't hard to get everyone in the system.
 


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